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06 September 2023

Attendees

Present
janina, jasonjgw, raja, scott_h
Regrets
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Chair
jasonjgw
Scribe
janina, jasonjgw, scott_h

Meeting minutes

Well-known URI proposal for accessibility.

meeting proposed on web security

meeting scheduled

TPAC - well populated

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023

discussion at TPAC< suggesiton RQTF should investigate

info forwrded to APA

IETF mechanism a better fit

EO involved, just acccessibility for now

Why talk with web security: what two kinds of content under accessibility

- human readable

- well-fromated metadata

next steps - bring back to this taskforce as informaiton/advisory TPAC review

one other thing EO asked for: canvas/where do we have metadata right now?

APA taking week after TPAC off, does RQTF?

makes sense for RQTF too

Contrast research request from Accessibility Guidelines Working Group.

jasonjgw: To investigate different approaches for evaluating color contrast for WCAG 3

jgwWanting research to be conducted
… Accessibility Australia are working out the details

scott_h: Just chatted with Rachael and discussed how to go at it
… Have the university link to create formal research
… Offered for staff to test method and analysis, etc
… There's still some lack of clarity in AG about what's needed, but we're getting there
… We'll look for any available research, and make a plan for what's needed
… It's preliminary, but we're underway

jasonjgw: Notes it's a well defined problem -- somethng we like!
… Perhaps a report in October?

scott_h: Sure

Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.

jason has worked through all COGA comments nad noted first impressions

further comments welcome

Janina did significant edits

https://raw.githack.com/w3c/ctaur/js2308a/index.html

Scott's list helpful, but needed significant editing to amke it work

broading assistive technologies rather than screen reader

avodiing naming partiuclar products - better to identify types of problems

quesiton: when to reference 2.2 instead of 2.1?

answer: assuming recommendaiton, should move to 2.2

another suggestion: add pointers to ATAG

sevarl more rounds of review required

guidance neds to go beyond WCAG - include ATAG, ARIA< etc

also oint of interest - pointss are paid as each point has 'needs to be on' and 'needs to turn off'

restructure: put under complexity?

perhaps a table for similaar contnet, but also want to make the point

more complexity to come, intentions to provide large language model based assistance in code authroing and text authoring: another level of UI

scott_h: Notes Ms embedding Code Pilot in Win 11

jasonjgw: Believe both Ms and Google are testing integrating AI into office suites

generating AI with multi modal

raja: Especially with respect to multi-modal

need to understand what is generated: music, pictures, etc.

raja Can create music, pictures, but cannot understand or describe

but cannot describe what is made - can make pictures form keywords, but can't describe the pictures

or can create audiot files but can't caption them

raja; Can't describe the pictures, but can't caption the audio files they create. Have to add a layer

raja: we want speech captioned, and pictures described; still issues with generative AI

issue at the moment

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jasonjgw: Key is for authors to check that what AI produces matches what they produced and asked for

prompt engineering

raja: Understand with text, but I'm trying to generate video -- but I don't know what the audio track is saying

discussion - making a video or picture, but not sure what it's saying

non-human collaborator content needed

jasonjgw: notes corporations are going to be pragmatic about this kind of included tech; but also risk averse

y week after TPAC: decide if changes shoudl be merged

ACTION: Scott and Jason to review edits

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Miscellaneous updates and topics.

jasonjgw: normally we take week following TPAC off, what's the sense here?

[discussion to meet or not]

jasonjgw: Suggests deciding on the 18th

Summary of action items

  1. Scott and Jason to review edits
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