IRC log of rqtf on 2023-09-06
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
- 12:34:25 [jasonjgw]
- chair: jasonjgw
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- present+
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- scribe+
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- agenda+ Well-known URI proposal for accessibility.
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- agenda+ Contrast research request from Accessibility Guidelines Working Group.
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- agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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- present+
- 13:00:46 [janina]
- present+
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- scribe+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Well-known URI proposal for accessibility. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:02:58 [scott_h]
- meeting proposed on web security
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- meeting scheduled
- 13:03:13 [scott_h]
- TPAC - well populated
- 13:03:39 [janina]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023
- 13:04:48 [scott_h]
- discussion at TPAC< suggesiton RQTF should investigate
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- info forwrded to APA
- 13:06:47 [scott_h]
- IETF mechanism a better fit
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- EO involved, just acccessibility for now
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- Why talk with web security: what two kinds of content under accessibility
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- - human readable
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- - well-fromated metadata
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- next steps - bring back to this taskforce as informaiton/advisory TPAC review
- 13:08:17 [scott_h]
- one other thing EO asked for: canvas/where do we have metadata right now?
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- APA taking week after TPAC off, does RQTF?
- 13:10:37 [scott_h]
- makes sense for RQTF too
- 13:10:38 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Contrast research request from Accessibility Guidelines Working Group. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:11:29 [janina]
- jasonjgw: To investigate different approaches for evaluating color contrast for WCAG 3
- 13:11:45 [janina]
- jgwWanting research to be conducted
- 13:12:08 [janina]
- ... Accessibility Australia are working out the details
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- scott_h: Just chatted with Rachael and discussed how to go at it
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- ... Have the university link to create formal research
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- ... Offered for staff to test method and analysis, etc
- 13:14:28 [janina]
- ... There's still some lack of clarity in AG about what's needed, but we're getting there
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- ... We'll look for any available research, and make a plan for what's needed
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- ... It's preliminary, but we're underway
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- jasonjgw: Notes it's a well defined problem -- somethng we like!
- 13:15:53 [janina]
- ... Perhaps a report in October?
- 13:15:59 [janina]
- scott_h: Sure
- 13:16:16 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:17:23 [scott_h]
- jason has worked through all COGA comments nad noted first impressions
- 13:17:35 [scott_h]
- further comments welcome
- 13:17:54 [scott_h]
- Janina did significant edits
- 13:17:59 [janina]
- https://raw.githack.com/w3c/ctaur/js2308a/index.html
- 13:18:45 [scott_h]
- Scott's list helpful, but needed significant editing to amke it work
- 13:19:07 [scott_h]
- broading assistive technologies rather than screen reader
- 13:19:28 [scott_h]
- avodiing naming partiuclar products - better to identify types of problems
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- quesiton: when to reference 2.2 instead of 2.1?
- 13:20:55 [scott_h]
- answer: assuming recommendaiton, should move to 2.2
- 13:21:18 [scott_h]
- another suggestion: add pointers to ATAG
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- sevarl more rounds of review required
- 13:24:40 [scott_h]
- guidance neds to go beyond WCAG - include ATAG, ARIA< etc
- 13:25:39 [scott_h]
- also oint of interest - pointss are paid as each point has 'needs to be on' and 'needs to turn off'
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- restructure: put under complexity?
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- perhaps a table for similaar contnet, but also want to make the point
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- more complexity to come, intentions to provide large language model based assistance in code authroing and text authoring: another level of UI
- 13:29:41 [janina]
- scott_h: Notes Ms embedding Code Pilot in Win 11
- 13:30:31 [janina]
- jasonjgw: Believe both Ms and Google are testing integrating AI into office suites
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- present+ raja
- 13:31:02 [scott_h]
- generating AI with multi modal
- 13:31:03 [janina]
- raja: Especially with respect to multi-modal
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- need to understand what is generated: music, pictures, etc.
- 13:31:25 [janina]
- raja Can create music, pictures, but cannot understand or describe
- 13:31:29 [scott_h]
- but cannot describe what is made - can make pictures form keywords, but can't describe the pictures
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- or can create audiot files but can't caption them
- 13:31:48 [janina]
- raja; Can't describe the pictures, but can't caption the audio files they create. Have to add a layer
- 13:32:15 [janina]
- raja: we want speech captioned, and pictures described; still issues with generative AI
- 13:32:35 [scott_h]
- issue at the moment
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- 13:32:47 [janina]
- jasonjgw: Key is for authors to check that what AI produces matches what they produced and asked for
- 13:34:07 [scott_h]
- prompt engineering
- 13:36:38 [janina]
- raja: Understand with text, but I'm trying to generate video -- but I don't know what the audio track is saying
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- discussion - making a video or picture, but not sure what it's saying
- 13:37:31 [scott_h]
- non-human collaborator content needed
- 13:39:35 [janina]
- jasonjgw: notes corporations are going to be pragmatic about this kind of included tech; but also risk averse
- 13:40:41 [scott_h]
- y week after TPAC: decide if changes shoudl be merged
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- ACTION: Scott and Jason to review edits
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:43:23 [janina]
- jasonjgw: normally we take week following TPAC off, what's the sense here?
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- [discussion to meet or not]
- 13:46:09 [janina]
- jasonjgw: Suggests deciding on the 18th
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, janina, raja
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