W3C

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ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group

24 August 2023

Attendees

Present
Hadi, howard-e, Isa, James Scholes, JoeHumbert, Matt_King, murray_moss, Sam_Shaw
Regrets
-
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
Sam_Shaw

Meeting minutes

Review Agenda and Next Meeting Dates

<Matt_King> View agenda at https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/wiki/August-24%2C-2023-Agenda

<Matt_King> Next CG Meeting: August 30

<Matt_King> • Next automation meeting: August 28

<murray_moss> +present

Check in on current testing work

Matt_King: It looks like we can get down to 1 test plan run

Matt_King: Lets talk about the current test plans

Matt_King: For VO Action Menu Button Example Using aria-activedescendant, two testers have completed their tests there are 5 conflicts

Isa: Joe and I got very different output

Matt_King: Is there a potential version conflict?

Joe: I updated everything to the latest OS and Safari version

Matt_King: Issue Related to Test 16

Joe: I'm on 13.5

Isa: I'm on one version older

Matt_King: We should improve the conflict layout so you can compare users version numbers

James: To be clear, the output for both users fails

Matt_King: If the menu script clicked the button

Matt_King: If the script did that then maybe it would work the same as the user doing it

James: I wonder how I can test that

Matt_King: Here are the paths forward. 1. remove the conflicts so we can publish report. Generate new version of test plan, which we are doing any way, wait to talk about this with Apple until we verify our new results

JoeHumbert: Is there a similar test for another screen reader?

James: Yes

JoeHumbert: Do the other SR have the same issue?

James: No

Matt_King: There could be something with how VO and Safari are interacting

Matt_King: I have a feeling its related to how VO process event chagnes

JoeHumbert: I'm fine with altering the test results with the correct output

Matt_King: I think we should report how the output is with 13.5. Lets keep Joes results and change Isa's

Matt_King: Is that discussion complete?

James: Yes

Matt_King: We may have a future change to how this test runs

Matt_King: The other test we have is Disclosure Navigation Menu Example

murray_moss: I performed my testing however I didn't click save and close

James: There is a next button that doesn't save your results

murray_moss: Yes thats what I did and I lost everything

James: This is a long standing issue

Matt_King: This is a pretty serious issue

Matt_King: I will add this issue

James: I will create an issue for Next and Previous button not saving data

Matt_King: Isa and Murray can you work together offline to resolve the conflicts?

Isa: Yes!

Matt_King: For Hadi's test is there any conflicts to resolve?

James: We just lost Hadi

Isa: I didn't see any conflicts

Matt_King: Test 41 has conflicts

Matt_King: Activate a link in reading mode

Matt_King: So Isa you didn't record excessive verbosity but Hadi did

Matt_King: If you mark your results Isa as excessive verbosity that will resolve it

Isa: Great I will publish this one today!

Check in on test plan prioritization

Findings related to collection of APG visits data.

Matt_King: We were looking for visit data from the APG. Lola was working on gathering this from the metrics system at W3C

Matt_King: I saw some conversation over email about this over the past week

Matt_King: I don't know that we have any updates on that

James: The oustanding question is there are several pages with the same title, but with different numbers of view. My hypothesis was that maybe it collects URLs with #, but the overall question is do we add up these views or disguard them

Matt_King: They are small enough numbers that they would be lost in any rounding we performed

Matt_King: When we prioritize patterns, should we consider all examples of a pattern vs another? Some plans have multiple examples, others don't

Matt_King: I think we should prioritize patterns first, then use examples as a secondary measure

michael_fairchild: Thats a fair approach

James: so you proposal is to focus on the pattern data over the example data?

Matt_King: Yes

James: If one plan has five examples and another has 1 that not a equal comparison

michael_fairchild: I think the pattern with the most overall views, including examples, that deserves priority

Matt_King: Sometimes people just view the examples, and those are the ones that get passed around

James: That is very true

Matt_King: I think if we use examples and patterns, that is reflective of the impact on the world

Matt_King: If we compare unique user data, it will help

James: I think that would over complicate things

James: I think we should take non unique visits to patterns

Matt_King: We will review this data as a group

Update on coming app changes

James: Just a note, when I approved a PR it didn't create a preview correctly

Matt_King: We are hoping to perform a deployment next week

Howard: We are targeting Mid week

Howard: Anything that was in the MVP board is included

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

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All speakers: Howard, Isa, James, Joe, JoeHumbert, Matt_King, michael_fairchild, murray_moss

Active on IRC: howard-e, JoeHumbert, Matt_King, murray_moss, Sam_Shaw