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ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group

16 August 2023

Attendees

Present
Alyssa, Hadi, Howard Edwards, Isa, James Scholes, Matt_King
Regrets
-
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
Sam_Shaw

Meeting minutes

Review agenda and future meeting dates

<Matt_King> View today's agenda at https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/wiki/August-16%2C-2023-Agenda

<Matt_King> Next community group meeting is August 24 (Thursday).

<Matt_King> Next automation meeting is Monday August 28.

Check in on current testing work

Matt_King: We are working on getting Action Menu Button Example Using aria-activedescendant

Matt_King: James it looks like Isa has completed her tests, Joe has not

Matt_King: Joe is not here today, this is stuck until we hear from JOe

PAC will reach out to Joe to check the status of his testing

For the test Disclosure Navigation Menu Example, Hadi has completed his testing and we now only have 4 conflicts remaining

Isa: These are new conflicts, we resolved all of the ones we discussed last week

Hadi: Hello! I had some trouble getting into the meeting

Matt_King: I will look into the email to see why the login button wasn't included

Lola: It looks like two emails were sent today, the first one included the link

Hadi: For the last two conflicts I'm not sure what Isa was doing. I marked the last two assertions as failing because part of the naming its "University sample page content" I didn't hear the words "sample page"

James: It is included in your output tho

Hadi: Hmm maybe because I'm blind I didn't see it!

(group chuckles)

Hadi: Okay good, do you want me to change it?

James: No I just changed it

Isa: Okay we have one conflict remaining

James: Hadi you may need to rerun test 42

Hadi: Let me tell you what happend, I had to completely exit from my browser, because JAWS was reading the entire page to me. I re ran the test multiple test, then exited, resigned in and ran the test again. The output I collected is in the test

Isa: Okay yes well I tested it twice and confirmed I got the same results both times.

Hadi: Should 42 and 43 produce similar output?

James: Yes for the interactive mode you seem to be getting the correct output, but for the reading mode test its reading the link which doesn't make sense

Matt_King: I'm trying to run the test now

James: Yes this is a mess

James: I have a bad feeling that they way we are opening this test is causing the page to reload. I'm going to test the same page in the APG

Matt_King: So what do we need to do to capture the speech output, there is some excess verbosity here

James: As of now both outputs are correct, can Isa and Hadi please rerun the test

Matt_King: Great thank you Hadi!

Matt_King: After this test we will have almost cleared out test queue! We can discuss next week whether or not to start more tests before the app updates are complete

Test plan prioritization

Matt_King: We have some progress on collecting APG visit data

Lola: I have updated the data in the test prioritization test sheet from data from January to today.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q9PI7wXjfBvnsl2-_56-HEYpGB36JJxjKPOytldeyYI/edit?usp=sharing

Lola: There are also about 10 plans that are not in there

James: I don't think the spreadsheet was fully exhaustive

Lola: For the Meter page there isn't much data which is confusing

Matt_King: That is weird, because I personally have been to the Meter Page

Lola: James I will send you the missing plans via email

Matt_King: These numbers seem low

Lola: It does seem a little off to me aswell

Lola: This is my first foray into data analytics

Matt_King: We may need some help from Shawn Henry

Matt_King: The popular pages get 8 to 10 thousand visits a month

Matt_King: Something must be off

Matt_King: Lola can you reach out to Shawn Henry and go through how to use the analytics site? OR Kevin White?

Lola: I can do that, but Shawn is very busy now, it took a month to even get access to this data

Matt_King: If you can resolve this in the next month that would be great

Lola: Okay I can do that, I may have just debugged the issue

Lola: does this sound right, for Combo box it would have 39,000 visits

Matt_King: Yes that sounds right

James: For new examples or patterns they will have less visits

Matt_King: Yes we will need to consider that, we only have new examples

Matt_King: Thank you for your work on this Lola

Lola: Quick update the AT Driver spec is being add to the BTT Working Group!

Matt_King: Awesome!

Review mockup of new test format

Matt_King: James and I have finalized the new test format

https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/wiki/Test-Format-Definition-V2

w3c/aria-at#978

Matt_King: I will point out a few additions

Matt_King: Notice in Test one it doesn't mention anything about mode

The biggest difference is the list of commands

James: I think we should add an instruction that tells the tester to refresh the page after they run each command

James: We may need to provide instruction on how to navigate with virtual cursor

Matt_King: Okay I think we can add those as disclosures

Matt_King: I'm going to add a setting columns for specific required settings

Matt_King: Sometime in the future, we don't need it now

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

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No scribenick or scribe found. Guessed: Sam_Shaw

Maybe present: James, Lola

All speakers: Hadi, Isa, James, Lola, Matt_King

Active on IRC: Matt_King, Sam_Shaw