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16:54:19 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
16:54:37 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
16:54:43 <Matt_King> present+
16:54:53 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
16:55:19 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Review agenda and future meeting dates
16:57:00 <Matt_King> View today's agenda at https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/wiki/August-16%2C-2023-Agenda
16:57:02 <Matt_King> Next community group meeting is August 24 (Thursday).
16:57:03 <Matt_King> Next automation meeting is Monday August 28.
16:57:10 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make minutes
16:57:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/16-aria-at-minutes.html Matt_King
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17:07:13 <Sam_Shaw> TOPIC: Check in on current testing work
17:08:52 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: We are working on getting Action Menu Button Example Using aria-activedescendant
17:09:18 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: James it looks like Isa has completed her tests, Joe has not
17:09:54 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Joe is not here today, this is stuck until we hear from JOe
17:10:13 <Sam_Shaw> PAC will reach out to Joe to check the status of his testing
17:11:20 <Sam_Shaw> For the test Disclosure Navigation Menu Example, Hadi has completed his testing and we now only have 4 conflicts remaining
17:11:55 <Sam_Shaw> Isa: These are new conflicts, we resolved all of the ones we discussed last week
17:12:25 <Sam_Shaw> present+ Hadi
17:12:46 <Sam_Shaw> Hadi: Hello! I had some trouble getting into the meeting
17:14:12 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: I will look into the email to see why the login button wasn't included
17:15:01 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: It looks like two emails were sent today, the first one included the link
17:15:14 <Sam_Shaw> present+ James Scholes
17:15:20 <Sam_Shaw> present+ Isa
17:15:31 <Sam_Shaw> present+ Howard Edwards
17:15:49 <Sam_Shaw> present+ Alyssa
17:18:25 <Sam_Shaw> Hadi: For the last two conflicts I'm not sure what Isa was doing. I marked the last two assertions as failing because part of the naming its "University sample page content" I didn't hear the words "sample page"
17:18:41 <Sam_Shaw> James: It is included in your output tho
17:18:51 <Sam_Shaw> Hadi: Hmm maybe because I'm blind I didn't see it!
17:19:06 <Sam_Shaw> (group chuckles)
17:19:31 <Sam_Shaw> Hadi: Okay good, do you want me to change it?
17:19:39 <Sam_Shaw> James: No I just changed it
17:19:51 <Sam_Shaw> Isa: Okay we have one conflict remaining
17:20:04 <Sam_Shaw> James: Hadi you may need to rerun test 42
17:21:07 <Sam_Shaw> Hadi: Let me tell you what happend, I had to completely exit from my browser, because JAWS was reading the entire page to me. I re ran the test multiple test, then exited, resigned in and ran the test again. The output I collected is in the test
17:21:28 <Sam_Shaw> Isa: Okay yes well I tested it twice and confirmed I got the same results both times.
17:21:48 <Sam_Shaw> Hadi: Should 42 and 43 produce similar output?
17:22:14 <Sam_Shaw> James: Yes for the interactive mode you seem to be getting the correct output, but for the reading mode test its reading the link which doesn't make sense
17:23:29 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: I'm trying to run the test now
17:26:00 <Sam_Shaw> James: Yes this is a mess
17:26:58 <Sam_Shaw> James: I have a bad feeling that they way we are opening this test is causing the page to reload. I'm going to test the same page in the APG
17:29:43 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: So what do we need to do to capture the speech output, there is some excess verbosity here
17:30:39 <Sam_Shaw> James: As of now both outputs are correct, can Isa and Hadi please rerun the test
17:31:49 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Great thank you Hadi!
17:32:46 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: After this test we will have almost cleared out test queue! We can discuss next week whether or not to start more tests before the app updates are complete
17:33:29 <Sam_Shaw> TOPIC: Test plan prioritization
17:33:44 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: We have some progress on collecting APG visit data
17:34:28 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: I have updated the data in the test prioritization test sheet from data from January to today.
17:34:31 <Sam_Shaw> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q9PI7wXjfBvnsl2-_56-HEYpGB36JJxjKPOytldeyYI/edit?usp=sharing
17:34:52 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: There are also about 10 plans that are not in there
17:35:21 <Sam_Shaw> James: I don't think the spreadsheet was fully exhaustive
17:36:21 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: For the Meter page there isn't much data which is confusing
17:36:44 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: That is weird, because I personally have  been to the Meter Page
17:37:48 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: James I will send you the missing plans via email
17:37:54 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: These numbers seem low
17:38:04 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: It does seem a little off to me aswell
17:38:16 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: This is my first foray into data analytics
17:38:34 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: We may need some help from Shawn Henry
17:39:26 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: The popular pages get 8 to 10 thousand visits a month
17:39:36 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Something must be off
17:40:38 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Lola can you reach out to Shawn Henry and go through how to use the analytics site? OR Kevin White?
17:41:02 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: I can do that, but Shawn is very busy now, it took a month to even get access to this data
17:41:12 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: If you can resolve this in the next month that would be great
17:41:25 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: Okay I can do that, I may have just debugged the issue
17:41:49 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: does this sound right, for Combo box it would have 39,000 visits
17:41:53 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Yes that sounds right
17:43:53 <Sam_Shaw> James: For new examples or patterns they will have less visits
17:44:07 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Yes we will need to consider that, we only have new examples
17:44:44 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Thank you for your work on this Lola
17:45:01 <Sam_Shaw> Lola: Quick update the AT Driver spec is being add to the BTT Working Group!
17:45:07 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Awesome!
17:45:22 <Sam_Shaw> TOPIC: Review mockup of new test format
17:46:01 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: James and I have finalized the new test format
17:46:15 <Sam_Shaw> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/wiki/Test-Format-Definition-V2
17:46:52 <Sam_Shaw> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/978
17:49:15 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: I will point out a few additions
17:49:46 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Notice in Test one it doesn't mention anything about mode
17:52:14 <Sam_Shaw> The biggest difference is the list of commands
17:52:39 <Sam_Shaw> James: I think we should add an instruction that tells the tester to refresh the page after they run each command
17:52:59 <Sam_Shaw> James: We may need to provide instruction on how to navigate with virtual cursor
17:53:28 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Okay I think we can add those as disclosures
18:01:28 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: I'm going to add a setting columns for specific required settings
18:01:37 <Sam_Shaw> Matt_King: Sometime in the future, we don't need it now
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