W3C

– DRAFT –
PEWG

24 May 2023

Attendees

Present
Mustaq, Patrick_H_Lauke, plh, smaug
Regrets
-
Chair
Patrick H. Lauke
Scribe
Patrick H. Lauke, Patrick_H_Lauke

Meeting minutes

Apologies, need to respond to a quick phonecall...I may be a few minutes late to start

Ah, the call was shorter than expected...as you were

Administrative items from PLH

PLH: we are switching from WebEx to Zoom. I will do it for the upcoming meetings. In next meeting, highlight that we are switching

PLH: secondly, we realised that we're out of charter, which is not a problem unless you want to publish

PLH: i assume you don't want changes to charter?

Patrick: correct, we just want to roll it over

PLH: as you're in process 2020...we'll just extend it and you shouldn't even see the difference

Mustaq: wondering about moving to living standard...

PLH: that's a separate conversation if you want to stay with versions or living standard. need to decide before you go to proposed recommendation.

PLH: you can also "allow" it but still do something else, not necessarily living standard

PLH: i can phrase it in the charter description. usually good to be clear in charter

PLH: for low level specs, living standard is good. hard versioning is usually best for things like WCAG that need to be referenced by legislation etc

Mustaq: we can file as a bug to move to living standard after v3

PLH: even if charter says living standard, group can still decide not to do it. it's a declaration of intent, not a commitment

PLH: in fact, we can move to living standard...

Patrick: in which case, let's go for it

TPAC

Patrick: i filed thursday evening as session, as discussed in last meeting

Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3

w3c/pointerevents#445

Patrick: Olli just filed another WPT before our call

Olli: I landed something in mozilla central, it may not have shown up on github yet

Olli: we really need to just set some time aside and try to fix these...2 tests per week or something, not much, but might be doable. asked Edgar for help as well

<mustaq> We can possibly include *is_a_pointerevent* wpts in Interop 2024.

Olli: mustaq did you manage to ask anybody else's help for writing WPTs?

<mustaq> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=label%3Aneeds-wpt+

PAtrick: how many issues do we have? ... 10

Olli: maybe spend some time next week to get the list down?

Mustaq: what if in June or July we have some days in the week blocked (like a Monday) to get this done?

Olli: July is holiday time, but June would be good

Mustaq: my last two weeks of June are very busy...

Mustaq: let's try before next meeting to get some of these moving, and see where we're at

Patrick: I can also look at these and think about how i'd test, but not familiar with how to ACTUALLY do a WPT

Mustaq: so maybe we can also talk Patrick through how to do WPTs

ACTION: before next meeting, Olli to look at 4 WPTs, Mustaq to do 2 WPTs, Patrick to send reminder a week before

Clarify what the target of the click event should be after capturing pointer events

w3c/pointerevents#356

Patrick: at last meeting i shared some results, expanded to also include more results WITHOUT explicit release

Olli: maybe action item for myself to look at Gecko implementation to refresh my mind on what we do

Mustaq: [looking at difference for second case why chrome/win different from chrome/android]

ACTION: review the tables in more details. Patrick to see if outlier results can be highlighted. mostly just show click differences for clarity

<mustaq> Re living standard: just filed this to track it w3c/pointerevents#471

PLH: I shared the link to the calendar in the webex chat where you can get to the zoom link for the meeting https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/calendar

PLH: i restricted the joining information

Patrick: perfect, thank you

rssagent, generate minutes

Summary of action items

  1. before next meeting, Olli to look at 4 WPTs, Mustaq to do 2 WPTs, Patrick to send reminder a week before
  2. review the tables in more details. Patrick to see if outlier results can be highlighted. mostly just show click differences for clarity
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 210 (Wed Jan 11 19:21:32 2023 UTC).

Diagnostics

Maybe present: Olli, Patrick

All speakers: Mustaq, Olli, Patrick, PLH

Active on IRC: mustaq, Patrick_H_Lauke