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14:53:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
14:53:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
14:53:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/81ad3e7c-6dde-48ec-8693-09a9adea9f69/20230524T110000
14:53:23 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
14:53:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ScribeNick: Patrick_H_Lauke
14:54:24 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Apologies, need to respond to a quick phonecall...I may be a few minutes late to start
14:56:52 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Ah, the call was shorter than expected...as you were
15:05:18 <mustaq> present+ Mustaq
15:05:21 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Administrative items from PLH
15:06:01 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: we are switching from WebEx to Zoom. I will do it for the upcoming meetings. In next meeting, highlight that we are switching
15:06:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: secondly, we realised that we're out of charter, which is not a problem unless you want to publish
15:06:48 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: i assume you don't want changes to charter?
15:07:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: correct, we just want to roll it over
15:08:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: as you're in process 2020...we'll just extend it and you shouldn't even see the difference
15:09:12 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: wondering about moving to living standard...
15:10:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: that's a separate conversation if you want to stay with versions or living standard. need to decide before you go to proposed recommendation.
15:11:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: you can also "allow" it but still do something else, not necessarily living standard
15:12:07 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: i can phrase it in the charter description. usually good to be clear in charter
15:13:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: for low level specs, living standard is good. hard versioning is usually best for things like WCAG that need to be referenced by legislation etc
15:15:22 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: we can file as a bug to move to living standard after v3
15:15:43 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: even if charter says living standard, group can still decide not to do it. it's a declaration of intent, not a commitment
15:16:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: in fact, we can move to living standard...
15:16:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: in which case, let's go for it
15:18:20 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: TPAC
15:20:54 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: i filed thursday evening as session, as discussed in last meeting
15:21:54 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3
15:21:59 <Patrick_H_Lauke> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445
15:22:12 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: Olli just filed another WPT before our call
15:22:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: I landed something in mozilla central, it may not have shown up on github yet
15:23:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: we really need to just set some time aside and try to fix these...2 tests per week or something, not much, but might be doable. asked Edgar for help as well
15:26:16 <mustaq> We can possibly include *is_a_pointerevent* wpts in Interop 2024.
15:26:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: mustaq did you manage to ask anybody else's help for writing WPTs?
15:28:22 <mustaq> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=label%3Aneeds-wpt+
15:28:28 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PAtrick: how many issues do we have? ... 10
15:28:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: maybe spend some time next week to get the list down?
15:30:25 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: what if in June or July we have some days in the week blocked (like a Monday) to get this done?
15:30:39 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: July is holiday time, but June would be good
15:31:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: my last two weeks of June are very busy...
15:31:48 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: let's try before next meeting to get some of these moving, and see where we're at
15:32:08 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: I can also look at these and think about how i'd test, but not familiar with how to ACTUALLY do a WPT
15:32:26 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: so maybe we can also talk Patrick through how to do WPTs
15:33:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: before next meeting, Olli to look at 4 WPTs, Mustaq to do 2 WPTs, Patrick to send reminder a week before
15:33:58 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Clarify what the target of the click event should be after capturing pointer events
15:34:04 <Patrick_H_Lauke> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/356
15:34:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: at last meeting i shared some results, expanded to also include more results WITHOUT explicit release
15:39:56 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: maybe action item for myself to look at Gecko implementation to refresh my mind on what we do
15:41:11 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: [looking at difference for second case why chrome/win different from chrome/android]
15:42:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: review the tables in more details. Patrick to see if outlier results can be highlighted. mostly just show click differences for clarity
15:45:07 <mustaq> Re living standard: just filed this to track it https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/471
15:46:24 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: I shared the link to the calendar in the webex chat where you can get to the zoom link for the meeting https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/calendar
15:46:32 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PLH: i restricted the joining information
15:46:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: perfect, thank you
15:46:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
15:46:52 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:46:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-pointerevents-minutes.html Patrick_H_Lauke
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16:41:34 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ smaug
16:41:43 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ Patrick_H_Lauke
16:41:58 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ plh
16:42:09 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rssagent, generate minutes
16:42:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:42:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-pointerevents-minutes.html Patrick_H_Lauke
16:50:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, bye
16:50:36 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
16:50:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: before next meeting, Olli to look at 4 WPTs, Mustaq to do 2 WPTs, Patrick to send reminder a week before [1]
16:50:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-pointerevents-irc#T15-33-30
16:50:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: review the tables in more details. Patrick to see if outlier results can be highlighted. mostly just show click differences for clarity [2]
16:50:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-pointerevents-irc#T15-42-46