W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA and Assistive Technology Community Group

11 May 2023

Attendees

Present
Dylan_Sheffer, Hadi_Rangin, james_scholes, jugglinmike, Matt_King, michael_fairchild, Sam_Shaw
Regrets
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Chair
Matt King
Scribe
jugglinmike

Meeting minutes

meeting time

Matt_King: We ran two surveys and learned that the current meeting time is the best for the most people, but there are important conflicts. Lola is in the UK and is unable to participate at this time

Matt_King: There was a proposal that we have two different times and alternate between them

Matt_King: If we're going to do something like that, we need to decide on something simple

Matt_King: For the other two potential meeting times, there were some significant conflicts with each

Matt_King: If we have an earlier meeting on Wednesday every other week, and retaining the current meeting time for the other weeks

We're considering 9:00 PT and 10:00 PT on Wednesdays

james_scholes: I can move an internal PAC meeting and then be available every other Wednesday at 10:00 PT. No amount of rescheduling will open up 9:00 PT for me

Matt_King: Fortunately, the W3C calendar supports bi-weekly meetings

michael_fairchild: I can't make that time on Wednesdays, but don't let that stop you

Matt_King: Okay! We will adopt this new schedule and make a habit of closing each meeting with a reminder about the next meeting time. Of course, it will also be in the W3C calendar

Color Viewer Slider testing

james_scholes: Firefox and JAWS. Only one assigned tester (100% complete)

Matt_King: I'm signed in; that looks correct to me

Hadi_Rangin: I have been absent from this call for some time, but if you folks can give me some help getting started, I would be glad to take this on

Hadi_Rangin: I primarily use JAWS, so this is a good one for me

james_scholes: I can send you the introductory material, and if you need any one-on-one coached, I can be available for that, too

Hadi_Rangin: My GitHub ID is hadirangin

james_scholes: we also need help for the same plan using NVDA and Firefox

Dylan_Sheffer: I can be your second tester for the Color Viewer Slider using NVDA and Firefox

Matt_King: We also have only one set of results for this pattern using Chrome and VoiceOver. We need another tester

Dylan_Sheffer: I can take this on, as well

Matt_King: That will complete Color Viewer Slider

Radio Group Example Using aria-activedescendant

Matt_King: There's one conflict, one tester labeled the AT response to pressing the space bar as "overly verbose"

Matt_King: The other tester recorded the same AT response but did not label it as "overly verbose"

The group agreed that the screen reader is indeed overly verbose for this action and overrides the second tester's verdict

This is for JAWS and Firefox. The AT response in question: "Regular crust radio button checked 1 of 3"

choosing next patterns

michael_fairchild: Links are fundamental to the web, but then again, it's exceedingly rare to encounter links that are implemented with ARIA

james_scholes: Menus are becoming increasingly prevalent these days

james_scholes: switches are contentious

Matt_King: I'm hearing alignment around disclosure, menu, and switch

james_scholes: If we're doing menu button, I would vote for the activedescendant version

james_scholes: Okay, to recap: the next three will be disclosure navigation, menu activedescendant, and menu combobox

Matt_King: We're still working through the queue, so these won't happen in the next two weeks, but it's good to have them selected so that they're ready

Matt_King: We will not be meeting next week! We will meet Wednesday, May 24th. I will update the W3C calendar to reflect this.

next meeting

Matt_King: We will not be meeting next week! We will meet Wednesday, May 24th. I will update the W3C calendar to reflect this.

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 210 (Wed Jan 11 19:21:32 2023 UTC).

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All speakers: Dylan_Sheffer, Hadi_Rangin, james_scholes, Matt_King, michael_fairchild

Active on IRC: jugglinmike, Matt_King, Sam_Shaw