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19:02:19 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA adn Assistive Technology Community Group
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19:08:31 <jugglinmike> Topic: meeting time
19:09:03 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We ran two surveys and learned that the current meeting time is the best for the most people, but there are important conflicts. Lola is in the UK and is unable to participate at this time
19:09:17 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: There was a proposal that we have two different times and alternate between them
19:09:31 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: If we're going to do something like that, we need to decide on something simple
19:09:53 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: For the other two potential meeting times, there were some significant conflicts with each
19:10:43 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: If we have an earlier meeting on Wednesday every other week, and retaining the current meeting time for the other weeks
19:11:05 <jugglinmike> We're considering 9:00 PT and 10:00 PT on Wednesdays
19:12:38 <jugglinmike> present+ james_scholes
19:13:26 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: I can move an internal PAC meeting and then be available every other Wednesday at 10:00 PT. No amount of rescheduling will open up 9:00 PT for me
19:13:57 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Fortunately, the W3C calendar supports bi-weekly meetings
19:14:46 <jugglinmike> present+ michael_fairchild
19:15:01 <jugglinmike> michael_fairchild: I can't make that time on Wednesdays, but don't let that stop you
19:15:30 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Okay! We will adopt this new schedule and make a habit of closing each meeting with a reminder about the next meeting time. Of course, it will also be in the W3C calendar
19:16:33 <jugglinmike> Topic: Color Viewer Slider testing
19:16:55 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: Firefox and JAWS. Only one assigned tester (100% complete)
19:17:01 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm signed in; that looks correct to me
19:17:20 <jugglinmike> present+ Hadi_Rangin
19:17:59 <jugglinmike> Hadi_Rangin: I have been absent from this call for some time, but if you folks can give me some help getting started, I would be glad to take this on
19:18:08 <jugglinmike> Hadi_Rangin: I primarily use JAWS, so this is a good one for me
19:18:42 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: I can send you the introductory material, and if you need any one-on-one coached, I can be available for that, too
19:19:20 <jugglinmike> Hadi_Rangin: My GitHub ID is hadirangin
19:20:13 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: we also need help for the same plan using NVDA and Firefox
19:20:50 <jugglinmike> present+ Dylan_Sheffer
19:21:19 <jugglinmike> Dylan_Sheffer: I can be your second tester for the Color Viewer Slider using NVDA and Firefox
19:23:37 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We also have only one set of results for this pattern using Chrome and VoiceOver. We need another tester
19:24:19 <jugglinmike> Dylan_Sheffer: I can take this on, as well
19:27:55 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That will complete Color Viewer Slider
19:50:24 <jugglinmike> Topic: Radio Group Example Using aria-activedescendant
19:51:02 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: There's one conflict, one tester labeled the AT response to pressing the space bar as "overly verbose"
19:51:59 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: The other tester recorded the same AT response but did not label it as "overly verbose"
19:52:23 <jugglinmike> The group agreed that the screen reader is indeed overly verbose for this action and overrides the second tester's verdict
19:57:45 <jugglinmike> This is for JAWS and Firefox. The AT response in question: "Regular crust radio button checked 1 of 3"
20:01:52 <jugglinmike> Topic: choosing next patterns
20:02:18 <jugglinmike> michael_fairchild: Links are fundamental to the web, but then again, it's exceedingly rare to encounter links that are implemented with ARIA
20:02:38 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: Menus are becoming increasingly prevalent these days
20:03:05 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: switches are contentious
20:03:07 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm hearing alignment around disclosure, menu, and switch
20:05:09 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: If we're doing menu button, I would vote for the activedescendant version
20:06:50 <jugglinmike> james_scholes: Okay, to recap: the next three will be disclosure navigation, menu activedescendant, and menu combobox
20:07:09 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We're still working through the queue, so these won't happen in the next two weeks, but it's good to have them selected so that they're ready
20:10:06 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We will not be meeting next week! We will meet Wednesday, May 24th. I will update the W3C calendar to reflect this.
20:12:37 <jugglinmike> Topic: next meeting
20:12:45 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We will not be meeting next week! We will meet Wednesday, May 24th. I will update the W3C calendar to reflect this.
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20:14:09 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technology Community Group
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20:15:17 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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