APA Weekly Teleconference

19 April 2023


Fredrik, Gottfried, janina, Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, mike_beganyi, PaulG, Roy

Meeting minutes

Agenda Review & Announcements

matatk: nothing new

TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023

matatk: TPAC website is up

<matatk> Official site: https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/

matatk: same request: need to know which other working groups we want to talk to

matatk: feedback welcome, send if you can

Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

matatk: nothing new this week

Review list separators WHATWG issue

<matatk> #322

<ghurlbot> Action 322 Review list separators WHATWG issue (on mbeganyi)

<matatk> Mike's review: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Apr/0012.html

matatk: can query a database of web pages to determine how common the pattern is

PaulG: concerned about the lack of semantics. why wouldn't you use a nested list and have CSS put a line in on a subgroup to delineate?

janina: agree

Lionel_Wolberger: agree as well

PaulG: it's not just a visual rule, there are some semantics

<PaulG> https://www.sarasoueidan.com/blog/horizontal-rules/#semantics-and-accessibility

PaulG: semantics match separation but not grouping

PaulG: semantic and visual separation are distinct

PaulG: a case where you want semantics and visual to match

matatk: if common, we need to legitimize and verify. encourage authors to do things semantically correct

matatk: this might be a lighter-weight approach versus other methods (nested lists)

matatk: if standardized, then AT developers can choose how to announce the nested grouping

janina: can use CSS for that (announcing lines)

matatk: regardless, something should come across to the user as opposed to getting ignored. getting the info in the DOM reported in some way and the ATs can determine how to do it, it's just up to us to give the opportunity

janina: what does this issue attempt to solve? what can be achieved here that can't already be done by other existent methods?

PaulG: would be worth consulting WHATWG archive to see how this is implemented

matatk: need to determine how widely used this is, and also pass this to Low Vision Task Force,

matatk: monitor WHATWG thread for any updates, discuss on call next week

A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

PaulG: last week was about animation API, discussing difficulty of animation accessibility

Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al

matatk: I had an action, closed it and e-mailed list last week

Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

Task Force & Deliverables Updates


<matatk> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-adapt/2023Apr/0004.html

<matatk> ^ Adapt Meeting regarding the Children's Pedagogical Ontology

matatk: Adapt and Web Accessibility in general, as they apply

<Gottfried> UDL: https://udlguidelines.cast.org/

Maturity Model

janina: continues to move forward, another year or so for established work timeline

janina: HTML frontend, currently prototyped in a spreadsheet. important that users house their own data


janina: continuining to talk about synchronization and chapter markings. asking WHATWG about how to mark up media. right now it's all one level. discussion around sublevels

janina: using of AAC tend to prefer to look at media as opposed to read, hence importance


matatk: putting finishing touches on e-mail to AT vendors regarding SSL.

matatk: working on statement about new task force, FAST, more on that soon

Other Business

PaulG: I learned recently that the word triptych—method of explaining to someone, explaining it, then explain it again. never saw textbooks that follows this method until recently: start with the conclusion first. so helpful in many contexts.

<PaulG> https://www.inc.com/john-baldoni/deliver-a-great-speech-aristotle-three-tips.html

matatk: please share the book if you find it, Paul

Be done

<PaulG> https://www.aaa.com/travelinfo/maps-directions.htm (spelled differently with an (R))

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All speakers: janina, Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, PaulG

Active on IRC: Fredrik, Gottfried, janina, Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, mike_beganyi, PaulG