W3C

– DRAFT –
Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

15 February 2023

Attendees

Present
janina, jasonjgw, Roy, scott_h, SteveNoble
Regrets
-
Chair
jasonjgw
Scribe
jasonjgw, SteveNoble

Meeting minutes

further work.

Coordination: CAPTCHA and authentication.

<Roy> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kXUL1fk1Z7kkbKauc0awWUf_6a_AoJ_fG9tuSeaLljc/edit

jasonjgw: Ongoing discussion on how web authentication and security keys may overcome need for CAPTCHA

jasonjgw: Any recent developments or intended actions?

janina: Email was sent to the FIDO Alliance, but no response so far

janina: Suspect that many of the old CAPTCHA techniques will be around for a while, so those points are still in scope

jasonjgw: Mentioned a new resource that we may want to reference

jasonjgw: Once we get enough new information we can be in a position to update the doc

janina: Suggest that the new US document that Jason mentioned should examined for material to update the doc

Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning - review of draft.

scott_h: Will take that as an action item

jasonjgw: The draft is ongoing. Any thoughts?

https://webmachinelearning.github.io/webmachinelearning-ethics/

janina: There is also a WebML working group active in this space

jasonjgw: There is a transparency section that would be good to look at

janina: Since the document is still open, we should go ahead and submit github issues

janina: Knowing the basis of previous failures of AI could be useful in understanding how to improve this technology

jasonjgw: Suggest we look at this again when Lionel is available

Artificial intelligence and people with disabilities - opportunities for

janina: Also suggest we reach out to Yutta

jasonjgw: AI may often have propensity for errors that the developers had not anticipated

janina: Rooting out how AI errors occurred will be useful in correcting this in future

Raja_Kushalnagar: About the web overlay AI approach -- when errors do happen, there is no human involvement to fix AI errors

janina: Such overlay AI inaccuracies has been a known issue, which is one reason why the NFB and others have opposed the use of such tools

janina: This is another good topic to bring up when Lionel is with us

Raja_Kushalnagar: We know AI is commonly used for audio captions, for example, but the problem arises in high-stakes settings

janina: One point is that when captions are retained for future publishing, then correcting those errors should be important

Raja_Kushalnagar: It is important to know how good the accuracy is; while the live automated captions may be quick, it is hard to know when spoken information is going to become high stakes

janina: This has really expanded since COVID has pushed so many meetings to virtual

jasonjgw: The legal point is crucially important in certain settings; knowing at what point the automated captions fail to meet required access

jasonjgw: This is an area of discussion we should continue discussion and collaboration with other W3C groups

Raja_Kushalnagar: Agreed

Raja_Kushalnagar: I am happy to help with further analysis and writing

jasonjgw: There is legal research to be done as well as the technological issues

jasonjgw: There may be a point at which the AI becomes as generally reliable as human-moderated access, but this may vary by the specific vocabulary used and setting in which it is used

Raja_Kushalnagar: About Open-AI - it doesn't allow people to do nefarious things; but human moderators are not supposed to censor communication

jasonjgw: The problem is that the system may be trained to censor certain content, which can be a problem

Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.

jasonjgw: Still gathering COGA feedback

janina: They will be adding github issues

jasonjgw: Once we have the comments and address them, at that point we should be able to push out an edited draft

scott_h: Have some additional points and citations I plan to include

scott_h: Was unsure whether to wait for COGA's comments first.

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 210 (Wed Jan 11 19:21:32 2023 UTC).

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Maybe present: Raja_Kushalnagar

All speakers: janina, jasonjgw, Raja_Kushalnagar, scott_h

Active on IRC: janina, jasonjgw, Roy, scott_h, SteveNoble