13:16:09 RRSAgent has joined #rqtf 13:16:14 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/02/15-rqtf-irc 13:16:14 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:16:15 Zakim has joined #rqtf 13:16:15 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 13:16:15 Date: 15 February 2023 13:16:17 chair: jasonjgw 13:16:19 present+ 13:16:24 scribe+ jasonjgw 13:16:53 agenda+ Coordination: CAPTCHA and authentication. 13:16:53 agenda+ Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning - review of draft. 13:16:53 agenda+ Artificial intelligence and people with disabilities - opportunities for 13:16:53 further work. 13:16:53 agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. 13:16:56 agenda+ Web of Things: accessible recovery requirements. 13:16:58 agenda+ Miscellaneous topics. 13:17:04 agenda? 13:36:28 janina has joined #rqtf 13:36:39 agenda? 13:58:24 JPaton has joined #rqtf 13:59:04 scott_h has joined #rqtf 14:00:29 present+ 14:00:37 present+ 14:00:50 SteveNoble has joined #rqtf 14:00:58 present+ 14:01:48 Roy has joined #rqtf 14:03:05 scribe: SteveNoble 14:03:07 zakim, next item 14:03:07 agendum 1 -- Coordination: CAPTCHA and authentication. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 14:04:10 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kXUL1fk1Z7kkbKauc0awWUf_6a_AoJ_fG9tuSeaLljc/edit 14:04:28 jasonjgw: Ongoing discussion on how web authentication and security keys may overcome need for CAPTCHA 14:05:01 jasonjgw: Any recent developments or intended actions? 14:05:46 janina: Email was sent to the FIDO Alliance, but no response so far 14:07:17 present+ 14:07:27 janina: Suspect that many of the old CAPTCHA techniques will be around for a while, so those points are still in scope 14:08:29 jasonjgw: Mentioned a new resource that we may want to reference 14:09:34 Raja_Kushalnagar has joined #rqtf 14:12:33 jasonjgw: Once we get enough new information we can be in a position to update the doc 14:13:21 janina: Suggest that the new US document that Jason mentioned should examined for material to update the doc 14:13:36 zakim, next item 14:13:36 agendum 2 -- Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning - review of draft. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 14:13:44 scott_h: Will take that as an action item 14:16:07 jasonjgw: The draft is ongoing. Any thoughts? 14:16:27 https://webmachinelearning.github.io/webmachinelearning-ethics/ 14:17:05 janina: There is also a WebML working group active in this space 14:18:44 jasonjgw: There is a transparency section that would be good to look at 14:19:40 janina: Since the document is still open, we should go ahead and submit github issues 14:21:08 janina: Knowing the basis of previous failures of AI could be useful in understanding how to improve this technology 14:21:34 jasonjgw: Suggest we look at this again when Lionel is available 14:21:50 zakim, next item 14:21:50 agendum 3 -- Artificial intelligence and people with disabilities - opportunities for -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 14:21:53 janina: Also suggest we reach out to Yutta 14:24:44 jasonjgw: AI may often have propensity for errors that the developers had not anticipated 14:26:01 janina: Rooting out how AI errors occurred will be useful in correcting this in future 14:26:59 Raja_Kushalnagar: About the web overlay AI approach -- when errors do happen, there is no human involvement to fix AI errors 14:29:14 janina: Such overlay AI inaccuracies has been a known issue, which is one reason why the NFB and others have opposed the use of such tools 14:30:09 janina: This is another good topic to bring up when Lionel is with us 14:31:36 Raja_Kushalnagar: We know AI is commonly used for audio captions, for example, but the problem arises in high-stakes settings 14:33:00 janina: One point is that when captions are retained for future publishing, then correcting those errors should be important 14:35:01 Raja_Kushalnagar: It is important to know how good the accuracy is; while the live automated captions may be quick, it is hard to know when spoken information is going to become high stakes 14:35:53 janina: This has really expanded since COVID has pushed so many meetings to virtual 14:37:29 jasonjgw: The legal point is crucially important in certain settings; knowing at what point the automated captions fail to meet required access 14:38:58 jasonjgw: This is an area of discussion we should continue discussion and collaboration with other W3C groups 14:39:44 Raja_Kushalnagar: Agreed 14:40:56 Raja_Kushalnagar: I am happy to help with further analysis and writing 14:42:44 jasonjgw: There is legal research to be done as well as the technological issues 14:43:38 jasonjgw: There may be a point at which the AI becomes as generally reliable as human-moderated access, but this may vary by the specific vocabulary used and setting in which it is used 14:46:57 Raja_Kushalnagar: About Open-AI - it doesn't allow people to do nefarious things; but human moderators are not supposed to censor communication 14:48:19 jasonjgw: The problem is that the system may be trained to censor certain content, which can be a problem 14:48:41 zakim, next item 14:48:41 agendum 4 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 14:49:47 jasonjgw: Still gathering COGA feedback 14:51:20 janina: They will be adding github issues 14:52:17 jasonjgw: Once we have the comments and address them, at that point we should be able to push out an edited draft 14:53:20 scott_h: Have some additional points and citations I plan to include 14:54:05 scott_h: Was unsure whether to wait for COGA's comments first. 14:57:23 trackbot, end meeting 14:57:23 Zakim, list attendees 14:57:23 As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, scott_h, SteveNoble, Roy 14:57:31 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:57:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/15-rqtf-minutes.html trackbot 14:57:40 RRSAgent, bye 14:57:40 I see no action items 14:57:40 janina has left #rqtf