W3C

– DRAFT –
Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

08 February 2023

Attendees

Present
janina, jasonjgw, Joshue108_, LeticiaPereira, Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, MichaelC, Roy, scott_h, SteveNoble
Regrets
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Chair
jasonjgw
Scribe
janina, jasonjgw

Meeting minutes

Artificial intelligence and people with disabilities.

jasonjgw: introduces topic and our presenter, Lionel

janina: Notes that OpenAI is now to be part of Microsoft Bing according to overnight news releases; It was mainstream news this morning in DC

Lionel: Provides a few definitions and notes the pervasiveness of A-I in everyone's day

Lionel: Discusses use in labeling vis a vis common labels in our environments; harms, identification of items, etc.

lionel: Reviews the bitcom taxonomy of A-I/ML; noting there's no overall taxanomic consensus

lionel: Reviews his company approach in web content and notes how IOS has now incorporated some similar ML procedures for a11y

lionel: Shows OpenAI generated code examples

lionel: And now an example of an "Accessible Summary"

<scott_h> great presentation Lionel, thank ou

janina: Asks whether Lionel recalls some gap related questions ...

lionel: were equity related, but not finding right now ...

janina: let's not digress for now

jasonjgw: asks about risks when a-i is asked to close a11y gaps; how to think about relationship between users and content creators?

lionel: notes traditional buckets of mainstream vs. AT; notes too much opportunity for problems, but also overwhelmingly helpful

Lionel_Wolberger: notes speech reco, and TTS is now essentially free; so an example of benefit that's now just generally available

Lionel_Wolberger: We should look at failure modes and assess how disasterous the failures are; we could get better at assessing low vs high cost failures

Raja: q from legal perspective

Raja: in communications there's push for a-i to substitute for human mediated access in the U.S.

Raja: sometimes a reasonable accomodation might be OK with ASR; but there are breakdowns, so in certain situations it would not function as a reasonable accomodation

Lionel_Wolberger: agrees there's much to discuss there

Raja: asking actually in general, e.g. emergency;

Raja: concerned about accountability

Lionel_Wolberger: have seen this addressed in criminal assessments;

Lionel_Wolberger: would need at least a warning

Lionel_Wolberger: believe it's positive that sentencing and parole support are aware that a-i does indeed skew due to dataset

Raja: agrees

Raja: asks for slide sharing?

Lionel_Wolberger: Yes, the Zero Project will be public, and I will share what I've presented here

janina: asks benefit of identifying topic area, e.g. a Dewey Decimal kind of topic identification

lionel: shares an ibm fact sheet that asks to have dataset contents identified

Lionel_Wolberger: i.e. what were you trained for?

Lionel_Wolberger: ex. mortgage evaluator

Lionel_Wolberger: not finding that info in a google? now looking at microsoft responsible ai -- in azure cloud has a dashboard with explainer

Lionel_Wolberger: sometimes the corporate work forgets what it has done!

Lionel_Wolberger: not trivial

<Joshue108> very interesting, good presentation Lionel!

<Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel thanks everyone for their generous listening.

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 210 (Wed Jan 11 19:21:32 2023 UTC).

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Maybe present: Lionel, Raja

All speakers: janina, jasonjgw, Lionel, Lionel_Wolberger, Raja

Active on IRC: janina, jasonjgw, Joshue108, Joshue108_, LeticiaPereira, Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, MichaelC, Raja, Roy, scott_h, SteveNoble