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13:15:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:15:24 <trackbot> Date: 08 February 2023
13:15:30 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:15:32 <jasonjgw> present+
13:15:34 <jasonjgw> scribe+
13:15:39 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Artificial intelligence and people with disabilities.
13:15:39 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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13:53:39 <janina> agenda?
13:53:55 <janina> present+
13:53:59 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:53:59 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, janina
13:54:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, kirkwood, MichaelC, alastairc, Rachael, jasonjgw, trackbot
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14:01:00 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:01:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Artificial intelligence and people with disabilities. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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14:03:17 <janina> jasonjgw: introduces topic and our presenter, Lionel
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14:08:31 <janina> janina: Notes that OpenAI is now to be part of Microsoft Bing according to overnight news releases; It was mainstream news this morning in DC
14:10:45 <janina> Lionel: Provides a few definitions and notes the pervasiveness of A-I in everyone's day
14:13:30 <janina> Lionel: Discusses use in labeling vis a vis common labels in our environments; harms, identification of items, etc.
14:16:58 <janina> lionel: Reviews the bitcom taxonomy of A-I/ML; noting there's no overall taxanomic consensus
14:20:19 <janina> q+
14:26:28 <janina> lionel: Reviews his company approach in web content and notes how IOS has now incorporated some similar ML procedures for a11y
14:32:33 <janina> lionel: Shows OpenAI generated code examples
14:33:00 <jasonjgw> q+
14:33:08 <janina> lionel: And now an example of an "Accessible Summary"
14:36:49 <janina> q?
14:37:07 <scott_h> great presentation Lionel, thank ou
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14:39:51 <janina> ack jan
14:40:00 <matatk> present+
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14:40:30 <Raja> q+
14:40:36 <janina> janina: Asks whether Lionel recalls some gap related questions ...
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14:40:50 <janina> lionel: were equity related, but not finding right now ...
14:40:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:40:57 <janina> janina: let's not digress for now
14:42:06 <janina> jasonjgw: asks about risks when a-i is asked to close a11y gaps; how to think about relationship between users and content creators?
14:42:46 <jasonjgw> q?
14:42:58 <janina> ack jas
14:44:16 <janina> lionel: notes traditional buckets of mainstream vs. AT; notes too much opportunity for problems, but also overwhelmingly helpful
14:44:47 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: notes speech reco, and TTS is now essentially free; so an example of benefit that's now just generally available
14:45:23 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: We should look at failure modes and assess how disasterous the failures are; we could get better at assessing low vs high cost failures
14:45:52 <janina> ack raj
14:46:09 <janina> Raja: q from legal perspective
14:46:29 <janina> Raja: in communications there's push for a-i to substitute for human mediated access in the U.S.
14:47:10 <janina> Raja: sometimes a reasonable accomodation might be OK with ASR; but there are breakdowns, so in certain situations it would not function as a reasonable accomodation
14:47:46 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: agrees there's much to discuss there
14:48:07 <janina> Raja: asking actually in general, e.g. emergency;
14:48:27 <janina> Raja: concerned about accountability
14:49:03 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: have seen this addressed in criminal assessments;
14:49:15 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: would need at least a warning
14:49:39 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: believe it's positive that sentencing and parole support are aware that a-i does indeed skew due to dataset
14:50:14 <janina> Raja: agrees
14:50:32 <jasonjgw> q?
14:50:35 <janina> q+
14:50:55 <janina> Raja: asks for slide sharing?
14:51:11 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Yes, the Zero Project will be public, and I will share what I've presented here
14:55:21 <janina> janina: asks benefit of identifying topic area, e.g. a Dewey Decimal kind of topic identification
14:56:18 <janina> lionel: shares an ibm fact sheet that asks to have dataset contents identified
14:56:31 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: i.e. what were you trained for?
14:56:48 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: ex. mortgage evaluator
14:58:13 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: not finding that info in a google? now looking at microsoft responsible ai -- in azure cloud has a dashboard with explainer
14:58:47 <jasonjgw> q?
14:58:49 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: sometimes the corporate work forgets what it has done!
14:58:54 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: not trivial
14:59:25 <Joshue108> very interesting, good presentation Lionel!
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15:00:41 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:00:41 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, MichaelC, SteveNoble, scott_h, LeticiaPereira, Roy, matatk, Joshue108_, Lionel_Wolberger
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15:00:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel thanks everyone for their generous listening.
15:00:48 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw