W3C

– DRAFT –
WoT WG Charter - Day 4

19 January 2023

Attendees

Present
Ben_Francis, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Erich_Barnstedt, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Kunihiko_Toumura Michael_Koster, Michaeel_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
-
Chair
McCool
Scribe
kaz, sebastian

Meeting minutes

Organization

<McCool ask the group how we should organize the next meeting about charter discussions>

<McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1051

Kaz: agree we need further discussion, and need to see good slot using Doodle. However, before holding further discussion, we should clarify what to be described for the Charter.

McCool: should collect the points in the issue

Kaz: Charter is an abstract plan for the next 2 years, so it's different from C language code or programming script. So we need to review the whole Charter document section by section.

Ben: please do not forget profile. Question to Kaz: how much details is needed?

Kaz: We should clarify our plan, also about the cooperation partners. Too much detail is not needed. On the other hand, we need to identify what document we would like to generate, which of them are normative. Also joint deliverables based on official liaison with external SDOs.

<there will be a doodle for the next charter session>

Deliverables

Profile

<Ben presents the PR>

PR 1056 - WG 2023 Charter - Profile Work Items

McCool: I'm ok merging this. However the term "interoperability profile" sounds strange.

+1

<Ben explains the details of its PR>

Ben: Complete the transition, Normatively define one or more profiles which specify how to observe properties and subscribe to events over HTTP, Consider defining other profiles and Stretch goal

Lagally: we should finalize Profile 1.0 in the current charter to avoid complicated versioning

McCool: Proposal is do not mention any version number to be on the safe side

Ege: we should not do detail discussion yet

Kaz: agree. Again, a Charter document is abstract plan on our 2-year Charter period. So we should just explain what "WoT Profile" is like. be careful what is our expectations on profile in the charter

Ben: Im ok removing version number

Publication status

Kaz: Profile WD was published yesterday on Jan 18, and TD 1.1, Discovery and Architecture 1.1 were published today on Jan 19.

McCool: will update the schedule

Ben: Profile document should be independent and not depend on Architecture

Liaisons

PR 1059 - External coordination (Liaisons)

Sebastian: we have good baseline for our building blocks
… should think about how to adopt to the other SDOs
… the next Charter should cooperate with well known SDOs
… which are focusing on industry standards
… e.g., ECLASS

Sebastian: strong connection with OPC as well

McCool: don't think we can say "will" here
… that's too strong word to put here
… then the target should be OPC UA

Erich: good organization with 900 Members
… working on industry interoperability standards
… Sebastian and I are thinking about potential mapping between OPC UA and WoT

McCool: absolutely agree with the cooperation itself
… but we need to work with the W3M about the liaison
… new W3C should be interested in industry adoption

SDW WG Charter

Kaz: I think I suggested we look at the SDW WG Charter as an example on how to deal with external liaison for joint deliverables several times. Have you by chance looked at it?

Sebastian: not yet

Kaz: We don't need to look into the SDW WG Charter now, but we should have some more discussion on how to describe our expectation on liaisons within the Charter.

Sebastian: I agree Charter is basic policy and plan
… However, there have been discussions between OPC and W3C

Kaz: I know, but we don't need to explain the detailed history within the Charter

Lagally: this is important initiative
… would it be possible to ask them to actively participate in the W3C WoT standardization work?

McCool: who do you mean?

Sebastian: there is a huge list here

(we should discuss how to make them participate separately)

Sebastian: (talks about Industrial Digital Twin Association)
… official liaison and close exchange to be done

Lagally: call out Platform 4.0?

Sebastian: it's also included

Ege: copied others from the current Charter
… and we should review this list again

McCool: (shows the rendered version)
… separate out the previous list
… pointing out the longer list
… which ones to be expected for collaboration?

Ege: should be a single list in the end

Kaz: I'm OK with merging this PR as the starting point with candidates
… but as I've been asking, we need to clarify how to get what kind of feedback from whom. For example, directly to the WoT WG, via the WoT IG, via the WoT CG or via the WoT-JP CG

Example deliverable template for liaisons:
* What: Binding Templates, Vocabulary and Ontology, Conformance tests
* How: A separate joint WG?, WoT WG as a joint WG?, a TF within the WoT
  WG?, just part of the TD/Binding discussion?
* Who: Editors from W3C, OPC and/or ECHONET?
* Resources: Technical Requirements for OPC UA liaison

Sebastian: agree we should make another iteration

McCool: need to capture the content for each org

Lagally: would suggest we put some specific examples
… in some areas
… asking about the purpose of this list
… we should have good understanding

<Ege> +1

<sebastian> +1

Lagally: exchanging opinions, asking reviews, etc.

McCool: complete list would be huge
… may be open-ended
… could list only new ones

Lagally: sounds like a good idea

Kaz: Again, we need to explain our expectations on what kind of activity to be done with whom for what around each liaison within the Charter.
… Probably it would make sense to categorize our expectations on liaisons into several categories, e.g., (1) simply exchange opinions, (2) asking for review and (3) joint deliverables, and explain each level with several important SDOs instead of having the huge list.
… We can have actual list outside of the Charter doc.

Sebastian: agree with Lagally that we should not just have a simple list
… we could tidy up the list a bit
… and need to identify why we need to have whom there

McCool: yeah, that's right
… on the other hand, we still have connection with SDOs from the prev Charter as well

Lagally: for example, working closer with those SDOs on use cases, etc.

Ben: glad to see Digital Twin Consortium there
… but some of the listed entities are not SDOs

Erich: good question
… standardization takes long
… most of the reference implementation is done by DTC, for example

Erich: I'm working on WoT within MS

Lagally: we should some gap analysis
… coordination and alignment would be good

Kaz: as mentioned 5 mins ago
… Again, we need to explain our expectations on what kind of activity to be done with whom for what within Charter around Liaisons as well.
… Probably it would make sense to categorize our expectations into several categories, e.g., (1) simply exchange opinions, (2) asking for review, and (3) joint deliverables, and explain each category.
… Then we can put several important SDOs below each category instead of putting the huge list>
… can have actual list outside of the Charter doc

McCool: would have a link to a wiki page, for example
… let's continue the discussion on GitHub
… and find time for further discussion

Ege: we're asked to to think about the WoT CG collaboration as well

<McCool> PR 1064 - Add coordination with WoT CG

Ege: need review for the above PR 1064

McCool: unfortunately, we need much more time to finalize the Charter

[adjourned]

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