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Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

11 January 2023

Attendees

Present
janina, John_Paton, Joshue10_, MichaelC, Roy, scott_h, SteveNoble
Regrets
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Chair
Scott_h
Scribe
Joshue108

Meeting minutes

SH: Welcome everyone

great to have you all here

Please do mention names before you speak for interpreter

Proposed upcoming joint meeting - planning and discussion.

SH: We are looking at a joint meeting with COGA

JS: Its in two weeks

<Janina gives background>

JS: Last time we were at odds over one of our previous documents

Lisa asked for a chat regarding how we go about research etc

JS: This seemed like a reasonable thing

The AGWG chairs have also asked to participate and asked some of the Low Vision TF to get involved

There will be other groups

Rachael, AGWG chair - suggested creating a simple overview document

This group has the best in terms of academic research - there are others in COGA and elsewhere, who have access to Uni libraries and databases etc

We should prepare, agenda etc

The proposal is for this time, in two weeks on Jan 25th

SH: Any other comments?

SH: Regarding the one pager is this something they want before the meeting?

SH: Not a burdensome task etc

Whatever structure they like we can do

JS: We can ask others to review and make sure it captures their view points etc

SH: Its good that its on the same time

<discussion on timezones>

SH: I did want to raise something - about channels or options for people to submit issues

I've expanded on this in the Collaboration doc

Do we still want to emphasise Github? Or talk about other options.

JS: I think they are interested - we will be talking about this on the 25th

We need to be patient and allow for a small set of acceptable formats etc

In the AAC symbols candidate REC, we applied these principles

One issue, or one email per comment

JOC: +1 that would be a big help

JS: If we give people a Google doc, you can get boxes that force organisation - that could be encouraging

RK: Question about Rachael in AGWG

JS: Getting back to process

We are developing an agenda - how we do things, share comments etc

JS: The last thing, is at what point do we need review from sister groups in WAI

JS: Publication should not be help up as comments come in.

JS: Last call etc needs to be informally presented - as it is useful only for addition comments

MC: I can add something here.

Last call was replaced by wide review - same thing really

There is a need for others to check this work, even up to the last

so we need to be careful

MC: Its good to have lists of things that can be sorted out, in time lines that are sensible etc

JS: Referring to that agreement is good.

JS: My issue is when we invite for early look, and review but we get nothing

MC: Lets discuss on the WAI co-ordination call

SH: I understand the need for this process

LW: Still early days on the privacy credentials work, do you agree?

SH: Yes

LW: Ok

JS: this is useful for us to review what is in our work statement

This group doesn't do normative deliverables but we have a series of user needs documents, and having a list of future work, that would be helpful

JS: APA is rechartering

Our current charter expires in July this year

We need to look at what we may accomplish in the next two years

APA would like to get this done in Jan

JS: We expect edits and questions etc - this will go to a vote in the AC

Last charter timeline was tight last time

JS: Lets look at this next week

Jason is back then also

JS: Comments?

SH: Lets discuss next week

SH: Janina you raised this on WoT?

JS: Yes, a big topic

APA does horizontal review, and we have been reviewing their WoT docs and meeting with them etc

We helped them identify the 'Middleware' piece that helps drive many devices and AI

The configuring app can be a very inaccessible process - they didn't object this this idea

Another topic is failure recovery - things happen when things stop working.

JS: Where I work an accident brought down wiring but a lot of the county had no power.

<Janina gives more detail on the restarting by hand, rebooting of domestic appliances etc>

Failure recovery or return to operability is not automatic - and needs to be managed better

APA reviews W3C specs - and were asked to review the WoT architecture

We got our best minds on the topic - Gottfried Zimmerman did his Phd in this area

and we asked him and his students to review these WoT docs

There are potential additions - failure recovery is not listed

They are proposing an a11y considerations statement

Gottfried says most engineers will read the docs that tell them what to build

This is a good argument - we have editing to do before we sign off on this WoT architecture

Finally, there is Matter - a standard from FIDO which may do away with this middleware

There are no devices I can find - we need to talk with them

SH: Is Matter looking at centralising the middleware across platforms?

JS: Yes, Google Apple and MS are supporting

<Lionel_Wolberger> A link to matter, https://csa-iot.org/all-solutions/matter/

SH: Comments?

JOC: If there was any update on the user needs and requirements piece since I've been away?

SH: Don't think so.

JOC: Could be worth following up on when Jason gets back.

<janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html

SH: Lets do that.

SH: Are those docs ready that we can provide feedback on?

JS: APA needs RQTF help with this - we should reachout to them promptly

JS: Links are in that doc

JS: The only new thing since Josh left us - is failure recovery

JOC: I like that, its comprehensive and does what it says

JS: Its a thing

Could be a real problem for some folks

SH: Recovery expectations can differ - and the steps may not be clear

SH: Can we do this next week?

JOC: I like Scotts recovery expectations is a great abstraction and a useful discussion point for that doc

SH: In terms of Collaboration tools there is only one comment

JS: Yeah, we didn't get much

We should have another stab at this

I think there are more things that people will want to say

JS: How can we get more coverage, we could reannouce it etc

SH: COGA also said they had things they wanted to share.

SH: Think its not in a state to progress yet

MC: The messaging maybe isn't clear about the scope of the document

It is more than just Zoom stuff - so more examples that draw people in would be good.

JS: Yeah, this could help the industry fix things we don't like

Its not so much RTC type stuff - like shared editing etc

SH: People could have gotten the wrong idea

Lets discuss next week with Jason

JS: Yeah, it is rather general

MC: We can improve it - a less technical summary would be helpful

JS: I'll have a go at the intro

JS: Plain language

SH: Any other projects to mention?

JS: We did have the Natural Language interfaces document

You should look at GPT!

SH: No updates since the last meeting

JS: ETS wanted something like this in our pipeline

JS: Lionel would say play with this in openai.com

<discussion on GPT>

JS: GPT could have interesting implications for AAC etc

SH: Anything else to discuss?

RK: I was playing with Astro - Robotics security service from Amazon

Not at all accessible, there is a lot of spoken interaction

There are visual interactions also

JS: We may have another user requirements document - if user needs and modes of interaction are not being served?

JS: May be media - but maybe not just that.

MC: Some of the *aur docs could use updating

*aur could be topic in itself

+1 to Michael

JOC: The whole concept of multimodality isn't understood so this is a good idea- having a baseline doc that is tech agostic could be fitted to multiple technologies

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 197 (Tue Nov 8 15:42:48 2022 UTC).

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Active on IRC: janina, Josh_test, Joshue108_, Joshue10_, jpaton, Lionel_Wolberger, MichaelC, Roy, scott_h, SteveNoble