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02 November 2022

Attendees

Present
CharlesL, Fazio_, Lionel_Wolberger_, nadine, Sheri_B-H
Regrets
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Chair
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Fazio, Lionel_Wolberger_

Meeting minutes

meeting Maturity Model Subgroup

Chair, Fazio, Sheri B-H

> Agenda+ New business

IAAP/G3ICT Maturity Model and W3C Maturity Model need a comparative analysis

Lionel: what is going on with IAAP Maturity Model, and why no collaboration

<Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: Good discussion of various maturity models out there like ISO/IEC 30071-1:2019 and Business Disability Forum accessibility maturity model

Benetech Update:

CharlesL: In all the different sheets there seemed to be duplicated...

<Fazio_> Inspiring, Goal posts, leadership metrics, loved drop down menu on sheet 6

CharlesL: Knowledge and Skills seemed to be repeated with the maturity stages section
… do we need this, or is it covered by outcomes and improvments?
… Example: Communications sheet row B, no effort.
… then B6 also says, no accessibility effort around communications
… it seemed duplicative and confused them

CharlesL: Typo, curriculums v curricula -- fix spelling

Sheri_B-H: This connects with a discussion here about whether K&S should be its own section, or a proof point for every section
… Example, ICT section clearly needs K&S. So we decided to incorporate it in the ICT section

Sheri_B-H: ... our approach was to do both. The specific K&S goes in the proper section, and global K&S has its own section.

<Sheri_B-H> So the answer we ended up for in the draft is both: general K&S goes in K&S, specific knowledge for a dimension goes in the dimension

<kline_> +present

<Sheri_B-H> so an example would be ARIA - only ICT folx need training in that, so it goes in ICT

CharlesL: 'Executive sponsor in place' vs 'Executive leadership in place'

Sheri_B-H: One indicates the presence of Executive level support for the overall program
… vs the Direction (or VP leadership) of a particular section
… perhaps add 'executive leadership of program' to distinguish
… also, small shops will not need this. This is for large organizations.

CharlesL: 'IT accessibility policy in place and implemented'. These occurred twice, once with an indent

Sheri_B-H: might be a typo

CharlesL: 'Business strategy includes accessibility as a market differentiator'

Sheri_B-H: Show that the business is actually advertising that they are accessible, as when one company promotes that they are accessible, other companies in the space start to prioritize accessibility
… it's a kind of corporate peer pressure

CharlesL: May want to add the word, 'advertising'

CharlesL: communities of practice. Question, communities we serve?

Sheri_B-H: No, we meant disability communities and disability-related NGOs

Jeff_Kline: I was thinking of internal communities of practice, internal to the company

CharlesL: Each department may have different ways of responding to this. Should each have a separate row?
… if one dept answers one way, and a different dept answers another way, how to integrate?

Sheri_B-H: least common denominator

CharlesL: So if one dept gets a 3, and IT gets a 0; I would indicate which dept was at which level

Sheri_B-H: This way you can focus on the low hanging fruit, and get a better score

CharlesL: Objective or subjective?

Jeff_Kline: It is subjective

Sheri_B-H: Since it is self-reported, it is GIGO (garbage in, garbage out)
… they don't have to buy an ISO standard, or pay a consultant-- just answer the questions.

CharlesL: The asked that overall we feature an examples column, stating examples of implementation

Sheri_B-H: We are planning to add case studies.

CharlesL: They recommended to have a 'TO DO' column, to record what things are needed to get the organization to the next stage

Jeff_Kline: I see that as a project management parallel track. This is not a forward looking document, it is a snapshot in time
… like a VPAT expresses where you ARE, not where you are GOING

Sheri_B-H: It can be used as a basis for such a forward-looking planning document

CharlesL: Linking would make it easier to use

Sheri_B-H: We wait for the HTML version to link things

CharlesL: How are people implementing it? Dept by Dept? Survey the entire company? One on one with different dept managers?

Sheri_B-H: I did it at one major corporation, dept by dept. Bring to each dept the one sheet that matches that dept best

Jeff_Kline: The person running the model needs to decide the process. Every organization is unique.

CharlesL: Each sheet should track, which dept answered this sheet? That way you can know who to return to, to update a particular sheet

Jeff_Kline: Organizations running the model can add fields, columns, whatever can help them, without impacting any of the formulas

CharlesL: Such customization would be helpful

Sheri_B-H: There is narrative at the beginning that can be extended
… indicate that modifications can be made to help you (the organization) action and complete the sheet

CharlesL: Can a user check a row, to make a row be left out of the final score?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fzPlHjHIaSQn9GvpJd86SDpV49U8Beg_iXj6K5aeyGg/edit#gid=1588739210

Lionel_Wolberger_: Suggest we name the role of the person shepherding the model through their organization: curator, sherpa, maturity model manager
… then the sheet can provide instructions directly to this role

<Sheri_B-H> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/

Sheri_B-H: We need to add "N/A" to the dropdowns

ACTION: Sheri_B-H Add N/A to the dropdowns

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ACTION: SByrneHaber Add N/A to the dropdowns

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ACTION: Sheri Add N/A to the dropdowns

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ACTION: Helixopp Sort out labelling

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ACTION: Fazio Sort out labelling

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ACTION: Charles Read the minutes, convert into issues all items where we agreed to make changes

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Summary of action items

  1. Sheri_B-H Add N/A to the dropdowns
  2. SByrneHaber Add N/A to the dropdowns
  3. Sheri Add N/A to the dropdowns
  4. Helixopp Sort out labelling
  5. Fazio Sort out labelling
  6. Charles Read the minutes, convert into issues all items where we agreed to make changes
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 192 (Tue Jun 28 16:55:30 2022 UTC).

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