Meeting minutes
<AWK> +AWK
Item of discussion: https://
Finalize Pull Request for TPAC
Makoto: This is scheduled to be our final meeting.
… we need to finalize Pull Request (PR) to have text for discussion at TPAC next week.
… has been discussed previously and shared with Chair (no feed back yet)
… I am not confident that draft is in good condition.
… Has anyone read?
All: no
Taking 5 min. to read.
Section 10-2 only.
Poornima: Question about option 5 -- keep AS but limit to documented techniques.
<Makoto> Jon's input. https://
Makoto: That follows from discussion on list. Comment from Jon Avila
Poornima: Another approach would be to be more consistent with providing AS with each wcag3 guideline...
… that idea was suggest last week, but do not see that here.
Makoto: Let me see if I can make more distinction between option 3 and 5
… so option 3 is keep AS but commit to database
… option 4 is subset of option 3 as only commitment is for approved test files
… option 5 reflects idea from Jon Avila, AS limited to AGWG published methods
… I have concern with that approach because non-US products, like PC Talker in Japan, would not be Accessibility Support due to lack of documentation.
… So option 5 might be possible, but will be very diffiult.
Note -- on listserv -- subject line is quote 4th option unquote
AWK: As I understood listserv comment, there are a bunch of things we don't have to worry about, for example ALT or certain ARIA techniques...
… they are well understood and not part of AS conversation...
… risk is for newer technologies, and author created components like a slider.
… as phrased on listserv, almost seems to be more about undocumented methods. But I hear we are in agreement about scope.
Makoto: Also see GreggV comment on list.
<Rachael> +1 to AWK's interpretation
AWK: As written, seems like AS is only of concern when / where documentation is missing.
AWK: Someone has to do a ton of work, for example the database, if they want to use technologies which can work.
Makoto: I think AGWG would be able to document or validate techniques and methods...
… we need web content authors to check and note how compatible is their source code...
… but we need AGWG to agree with those methods and techniques ...
… if AGWG is English, Japanese implementers could translate and follow.
… I think we are on same page.
LauraBMiller: I am looking at listing, and I would note that not all pro and con items are of equal weight...
… listing them out, makes it look like longer list is determinative...
… but not all the cons are weighted equally. Some might be "show stoppers".
Makoto: I am not sure how I have this written up is correct.
Rachael: We are still working on subgroup process and feedback, so working on process for TPAC. I do think it is right direction generally.
… I would like to have middle written up as GitHub issue. The top and bottom I am not sure.
… looking for feedback on proposal.
… or I can create GitHub issue / discussion.
Makoto: This discussion will be continued, and we can keep the pros / cons for next step phase...
… timing is right before TPAC. I would like to follow Rachael suggestions. Thoughts?
<AWK> +1
All concur, no dissent
Makoto: Looking for feedback, I raised six questions. Do we need all? Did I miss one?
LauraBMiller: What is the next step?
Makoto: We are looking for something to go in next public draft of WCAG3.
Bruce: Are these question for TPAC or WCAG3 ?
Makoto: These would be questions to the audience of WCAG3.
Bruce: Also 5/6 questions are about collecting AS data -- but first week we raised idea of dropping AS in wcag3
AWK: Having these questions in PWD implies that AS is staying and that AGWG is asking about means to solicit funding.
Bruce: +1 to AWK
AWK: I had not thought what the result of our work was going to be.
LauraBMiller: I agree that the first question should be if we support AS or not.
… pros and cons need more context
… Are we helping people to decide, or moving past that?
<Poornima> +1 on the decision to be made first
Bruce: agree w/ Laura that we need to discuss AS or not more
Rachael: Recall that we have Exploratory content now, so what we have now fits that model...
… idea is to capture outstanding questions before move to Developing.
Bruce: I think questions/issues for TPAC different than Qs to public in PWD
Rachael: Context is editors draft, not PWD
Makoto: I think we have quite a bit captured here, including the conversation with Wilco last week
… So maybe a little bit different with what we are writing up from our conversations.
Poornima: We have options to bring forward to larger group meetings...
… we have the known issues and several options.
Makoto: I wanted to ask AWK about need to develop global database.
AWK: My comment was on keep AS as-is and there is assertion that to do that, we need global DB...
… but that is not correct since we do not have that now. The global DB is more about option 3
Makoto: Okay, thanks, I understand.
Poornima: Again, my suggestion that wcag3 pay more attention and focus to AS with each Guideline is not included here, and I would like to see that as an option.
Makoto: I am not clear on suggestion to call out AS as 6th option.
<AWK> Poornima - call out the AT support in the normative WCAG content?
Poornima: We need to promote AS as a core issue.
Makoto: Information to product developers?
Poornima: No, I am talking about prose in Guidelines. Example is ALT, why is needed and how AT provides AS for ALT.
Bruce: I typed in an option 6
Makoto: For TPAC, I will keep six options for presentation at TPAC...
… We will keep pros / cons in this doc for hopefully being of use to next iteration.
TPAC Schedule
Makoto: Feed back on known issues can inform TPAC discussion.
… And we have Rachael creating GitHub issue/discussion and moving middle section to exploratory.
Makoto: At TPAC I am presenting for 90 minutes, including some discussion. I will be remote only though. Anyone there in person?
AWK: I will be there in person.
LauraBMiller: remote only
Poornima: remote only
Bruce: I am not attending TPAC.
<Makoto> TPAC https://
Makoto: Please review bottom of document, section 10 which is my notes for TPAC.
Makoto thanks everyone for their hard work.
<Rachael> Thank you all for your work on this.