Meeting minutes
Ralph: at this point our task as I understand it is to make sure everyone we think should join the Salon is aware of the opportunity
Zheng: I saw Tzviya's announcement yesterday
… I plan to be there
… am looking forward to is
Ivan: looking at those who have registered already; there are 18
… 12 are folk who have signed up for the WG as well
… a few from outside
… we are still a month away
<ivan> https://
Ralph: there are 22 people who have registered as remote-only
Around the Room
Daihei: the BG coordinated
… we're going to meet on 30 August
… mainly discussing A11y for Publishing
… Liisa and I are talking about the content protection issue
… Liisa sent an agenda a couple of weeks ago
George: it was interesting to hear about the counterfeiting problem
… someone taking a published book, modifying it slightly, and posting it as self-published
… it is posted at a lower price, attracts sales, and ends up with a higher ranking
<zheng_xu> This counterfeiting issue is also filed here https://
Ivan: I've seen that happen with physical books as well
… I was given a low-quality reproduction of a book from someone who did not realize it was not from the original publisher
Bill: Wendy suggested the term "counterfeiting"
… Naomi suggested "bootleg" as well
… distinguished from "piracy" which is an indivdiual stealing without re-selling
George: "counterfeiting" is a better term; it's not slang
Daihei: we're debating whether to discuss this in the Salon
… it's a big issue for publishers
… it's directly impacting the sales of the publishers
… we're figuring out who might be able to speak in the conference day
Bill: a session that covers both topics would make the two issues more clear
Daihei: this and a11y are the topics we're facing
… we'd like to allocate time for a11y first on 30 August
Zheng: in the last CG meeting we talked about the counterfeiting issue, inspired by Wendy's issue in GH
… one suggestion was to establish a TF to discuss
… see the link to the repo issue
George: from the BG, I would think we could develop a mechanism to report counterfeiting to a vendor
… and get takedown
… it seems we should be able to set up a process with the vendors to help them
… it's hard for them to detect this programmatically
… but when the owner of a legitimate book sees it they could quickly take action
Ivan: it might be interesting to contact the crypto people
… there is something I think they call "similarity hash"
… given a resource you can assign a hash that has a special feature that if two contents do not differ much they get the same hash
… there is a proposal from a German company to assign a URL using these hashes
… maybe this could be used in a protocol to assign such a hash that could be used programmatically
… to find books that are "close to" a book that is already in the store
Ralph: there are a variety of such algorithms indeed
<ivan> the URL proposal I was referring to
Zheng: we sent a doodle for the education TF
… we hope to start with a kickoff meeting in September
George: Doodle has become inaccessible :(
… I've received links to cally.com; I could respond but not author
… it is unclear about timezone
… it's not perfect but it's the best I've found
… the organizer needs to include the timezone in the announcement
… it's a serious problem
Ralph: is this feedback being collected anywhere?
George: not that I'm aware of
… I've filed bug reports with Doodle
Ralph: maybe W3C can offer a service to share experiences
Zheng: I'm willing to help
Avneesh: lots of things happening in a11y
… EPUB A11y 1.1 is proceding on Rec Track
… there's one feature that will change from mandatory to recommended
… the CG is working on the next version of the guide for displaying metadata
… we have achieved a milestone on crosswalk between Schema.org an ONIX
… that is being extended to MARC
… a lot of work is happening outside of W3C and we are coordinating that in the CG
… we're working on a guidance document to help publishers with a11y
Bill: the existence of CGs is very useful
… at least 3 or 4 library people who are very technical are participating in the MARC work via the CG
… the likelihood of their organizations joining as W3C Members is very low
… my strategy is to involve people in the Salon and encourage them to be more involved
[adjourned]