IRC log of pbgsc on 2022-08-12

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Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
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present: Daihei, Avneesh
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regrets: Tzviya
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present+ Zheng
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agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2022Aug/0000.html
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regrets: WendyR
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agenda+ Salon
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Ralph: at this point our task as I understand it is to make sure everyone we think should join the Salon is aware of the opportunity
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Zheng: I saw Tzviya's announcement yesterday
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... I plan to be there
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... am looking forward to is
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q+
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Ivan: looking at those who have registered already; there are 18
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... 12 are folk who have signed up for the WG as well
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... a few from outside
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... we are still a month away
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https://www.w3.org/register/tpac2022/registrants#meeting-186
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Ralph: there are 22 people who have registered as remote-only
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topic: Around the Room
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Daihei: the BG coordinated
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... we're going to meet on 30 August
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... mainly discussing A11y for Publishing
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... Liisa and I are talking about the content protection issue
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... Liisa sent an agenda a couple of weeks ago
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George: it was interesting to hear about the counterfeiting problem
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... someone taking a published book, modifying it slightly, and posting it as self-published
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... it is posted at a lower price, attracts sales, and ends up with a higher ranking
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This counterfitting issue is also filed here https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/39
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Ivan: I've seen that happen with physical books as well
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... I was given a low-quality reproduction of a book from someone who did not realize it was not from the original publisher
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Bill: Wendy suggested the term "counterfeiting"
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... Naomi suggested "bootleg" as well
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... distinguished from "piracy" which is an indivdiual stealing without re-selling
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George: "counterfeiting" is a better term; it's not slang
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Daihei: we're debating whether to discuss this in the Salon
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... it's a big issue for publishers
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s/counterfitting/counterfeiting/g
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... it's directly impacting the sales of the publishers
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q+
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q+
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... we're figuring out who might be able to speak in the conference day
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Bill: a session that covers both topics would make the two issues more clear
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Daihei: this and a11y are the topics we're facing
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... we'd like to allocate time for a11y first on 30 August
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Zheng: in the last CG meeting we talked about the counterfeiting issue, inspired by Wendy's issue in GH
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... one suggestion was to establish a TF to discuss
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... see the link to the repo issue
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George: from the BG, I would think we could develop a mechanism to report counterfeiting to a vendor
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... and get takedown
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... it seems we should be able to set up a process with the vendors to help them
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... it's hard for them to detect this programmatically
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... but when the owner of a legitimate book sees it they could quickly take action
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Ivan: it might be interesting to contact the crypto people
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... there is something I think they call "similarity hash"
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... given a resource you can assign a hash that has a special feature that if two contents do not differ much they get the same hash
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... there is a proposal from a German company to assign a URL using these hashes
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... maybe this could be used in a protocol to assign such a hash that could be used programmatically
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... to find books that are "close to" a book that is already in the store
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Ralph: there are a variety of such algorithms indeed
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-> the URL proposal I was referring to https://iscc.codes/concept/
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Zheng: we sent a doodle for the education TF
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... we hope to start with a kickoff meeting in September
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George: Doodle has become inaccessible :(
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... I've received links to cally.com; I could respond but not author
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... it is unclear about timezone
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... it's not perfect but it's the best I've found
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... the organizer needs to include the timezone in the announcement
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... it's a serious problem
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Ralph: is this feedback being collected anywhere?
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George: not that I'm aware of
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... I've filed bug reports with Doodle
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q+
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Ralph: maybe W3C can offer a service to share experiences
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Zheng: I'm happy to help
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s/happy/willing
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Avneesh: lots of things happening in a11y
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... EPUB A11y 1.1 is proceding on Rec Track
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... there's one feature that will change from mandatory to recommended
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... the CG is working on the next version of the guide for displaying metadata
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... we have achieved a milestone on crosswalk between Schema.org an ONIX
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... that is being extended to MARC
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... a lot of work is happening outside of W3C and we are coordinating that in the CG
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... we're working on a guidance document to help publishers with a11y
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Bill: the existence of CGs is very useful
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... at least 3 or 4 library people who are very technical are participating in the MARC work via the CG
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... the likelihood of their organizations joining as W3C Members is very low
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... my strategy is to involve people in the Salon and encourage them to be more involved
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[adjourned]
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been Daihei, Avneesh, ivan, Zheng, Ralph, GeorgeK, Bill_Kasdorf, zheng_xu
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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