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15:02:05 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
15:02:11 <Ralph> present: Daihei, Avneesh
15:02:15 <Ralph> regrets: Tzviya
15:02:18 <ivan> present+
15:02:26 <ivan> present+ Zheng
15:02:36 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2022Aug/0000.html
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15:03:37 <Ralph> present+
15:03:47 <GeorgeK> present+
15:04:22 <Ralph> regrets: WendyR
15:05:29 <Ralph> agenda+ Salon
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15:07:47 <Ralph> Ralph: at this point our task as I understand it is to make sure everyone we think should join the Salon is aware of the opportunity
15:08:48 <Ralph> Zheng: I saw Tzviya's announcement yesterday
15:08:54 <Ralph> ... I plan to be there
15:09:01 <Ralph> ... am looking forward to is
15:09:01 <ivan> q+
15:09:18 <Ralph> Ivan: looking at those who have registered already; there are 18
15:09:33 <Ralph> ... 12 are folk who have signed up for the WG as well
15:09:48 <Ralph> ... a few from outside
15:10:25 <Ralph> ... we are still a month away
15:10:36 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/register/tpac2022/registrants#meeting-186
15:12:13 <Ralph> Ralph: there are 22 people who have registered as remote-only
15:20:46 <Ralph> topic: Around the Room
15:20:56 <Ralph> Daihei: the BG coordinated
15:21:06 <Ralph> ... we're going to meet on 30 August
15:21:14 <Ralph> ... mainly discussing A11y for Publishing
15:21:24 <Ralph> ... Liisa and I are talking about the content protection issue
15:21:51 <Ralph> ... Liisa sent an agenda a couple of weeks ago
15:22:07 <Ralph> George: it was interesting to hear about the counterfeiting problem
15:22:30 <Ralph> ... someone taking a published book, modifying it slightly, and posting it as self-published
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15:23:34 <Ralph> ... it is posted at a lower price, attracts sales, and ends up with a higher ranking
15:24:02 <zheng_xu> This counterfitting issue is also filed here https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/39
15:24:19 <Ralph> Ivan: I've seen that happen with physical books as well
15:25:04 <Ralph> ... I was given a low-quality reproduction of a book from someone who did not realize it was not from the original publisher
15:25:54 <Ralph> Bill: Wendy suggested the term "counterfeiting"
15:26:02 <Ralph> ... Naomi suggested "bootleg" as well
15:26:21 <Ralph> ... distinguished from "piracy" which is an indivdiual stealing without re-selling
15:26:38 <Ralph> George: "counterfeiting" is a better term; it's not slang
15:26:55 <Ralph> Daihei: we're debating whether to discuss this in the Salon
15:27:00 <Ralph> ... it's a big issue for publishers
15:27:15 <zheng_xu> s/counterfitting/counterfeiting/g
15:28:01 <Ralph> ... it's directly impacting the sales of the publishers
15:28:14 <zheng_xu> q+
15:28:23 <ivan> q+
15:28:30 <Ralph> ... we're figuring out who might be able to speak in the conference day
15:28:52 <Ralph> Bill: a session that covers both topics would make the two issues more clear
15:29:23 <Ralph> Daihei: this and a11y are the topics we're facing
15:29:38 <Ralph> ... we'd like to allocate time for a11y first on 30 August
15:30:18 <Ralph> Zheng: in the last CG meeting we talked about the counterfeiting issue, inspired by Wendy's issue in GH
15:30:32 <Ralph> ... one suggestion was to establish a TF to discuss
15:30:44 <Ralph> ... see the link to the repo issue
15:31:02 <Ralph> George: from the BG, I would think we could develop a mechanism to report counterfeiting to a vendor
15:31:14 <Ralph> ... and get takedown
15:31:39 <Ralph> ... it seems we should be able to set up a process with the vendors to help them
15:31:48 <Ralph> ... it's hard for them to detect this programmatically
15:32:10 <Ralph> ... but when the owner of a legitimate book sees it they could quickly take action
15:32:21 <Ralph> Ivan: it might be interesting to contact the crypto people
15:32:35 <Ralph> ... there is something I think they call "similarity hash"
15:33:08 <Ralph> ... given a resource you can assign a hash that has a special feature that if two contents do not differ much they get the same hash
15:33:25 <Ralph> ... there is a proposal from a German company to assign a URL using these hashes
15:33:55 <Ralph> ... maybe this could be used in a protocol to assign such a hash that could be used programmatically
15:34:14 <Ralph> ... to find books that are "close to" a book that is already in the store
15:35:24 <Ralph> Ralph: there are a variety of such algorithms indeed
15:36:43 <ivan> -> the URL proposal I was referring to https://iscc.codes/concept/
15:36:47 <Ralph> Zheng: we sent a doodle for the education TF
15:36:56 <Ralph> ... we hope to start with a kickoff meeting in September
15:37:13 <Ralph> George: Doodle has become inaccessible :(
15:37:43 <Ralph> ... I've received links to cally.com; I could respond but not author
15:37:51 <Ralph> ... it is unclear about timezone
15:37:58 <Ralph> ... it's not perfect but it's the best I've found
15:38:48 <Ralph> ... the organizer needs to include the timezone in the announcement
15:39:06 <Ralph> ... it's a serious problem
15:40:15 <Ralph> Ralph: is this feedback being collected anywhere?
15:40:20 <Ralph> George: not that I'm aware of
15:40:30 <Ralph> ... I've filed bug reports with Doodle
15:40:51 <zheng_xu> q+
15:41:01 <Ralph> Ralph: maybe W3C can offer a service to share experiences
15:41:15 <Ralph> Zheng: I'm happy to help
15:42:16 <Ralph> s/happy/willing
15:44:22 <Ralph> Avneesh: lots of things happening in a11y
15:44:33 <Ralph> ... EPUB A11y 1.1 is proceding on Rec Track
15:44:46 <Ralph> ... there's one feature that will change from mandatory to recommended
15:45:02 <Ralph> ... the CG is working on the next version of the guide for displaying metadata
15:45:21 <Ralph> ... we have achieved a milestone on crosswalk between Schema.org an ONIX
15:45:26 <Ralph> ... that is being extended to MARC
15:45:47 <Ralph> ... a lot of work is happening outside of W3C and we are coordinating that in the CG
15:46:15 <Ralph> ... we're working on a guidance document to help publishers with a11y
15:46:42 <Ralph> Bill: the existence of CGs is very useful
15:47:24 <Ralph> ... at least 3 or 4 library people who are very technical are participating in the MARC work via the CG
15:47:46 <Ralph> ... the likelihood of their organizations joining as W3C Members is very low
15:50:27 <Ralph> ... my strategy is to involve people in the Salon and encourage them to be more involved
15:51:54 <Ralph> [adjourned]
15:51:57 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
15:51:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Daihei, Avneesh, ivan, Zheng, Ralph, GeorgeK, Bill_Kasdorf, zheng_xu
15:51:59 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:51:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
15:52:02 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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