Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

10 August 2022


becky, Fazio, Fredrik, janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Matthew_Atkinson, mike_beganyi, nadine, niklasegger, Roy

Meeting minutes

Agenda Review & Announcements

Maturity model FPWD CfC - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0001.html

Maturity Model CfC is out! Please have a look and cast your vote, you have until end of week.

+1 to looking at the maturity model.

Feel free to file comments, you can flag those comments as not blocking FPWD
… or not

Janina: If you have a blocker to First Public Working Draft, vote -1 on the CfC

Review draft new AGWG Charter - https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html

Matthew_Atkinson: They are soliciting feedback. It defines what's in and out of scope for AGWG and other deliverables including group liaisons
… please look and provide feedback this week.

janina: Deadline two weeks from today. APA will then report back its comments.

Janina's consulting work

janina: I was requested by management to make clear to everyone here in APA
… having met Lionel on the Adapt call and on this call
… have entered into a consulting contract with UserWay
… which started out at very few hours a month, and is now up to less than half a day a week
… because overlays have been found to be controversial, and UserWay has an overlay product as part of its business
… important to be fair, impartial and inclusive
… I personally interpret inclusiveness as also allowing companies that might be controversial to participate
… there is now a community group
… hopefully to be announced at a TPAC breakout group
… to document what kind of things overlays do
… both what they do poorly and what they do very well
… looking at accessibility on the edge
… in our regular discussions we discuss many topics
… for example I have suggested that UserWay get more involved with other APA projects
… please raise any concerns to me or Matthew, or to WAI staff Roy, Michael, and Judy

niklasegger: I would like to participate in these discussions on overlays, but will not be attending TPAC

janina: Zoom participation is be available for those who can participate via zoom, and a recording will be available

Matthew_Atkinson: And everyone is welcome to join the accessibility at the edge community group

Lionel: UserWay is really trying to involve people in these conversations, and the community group is a good vehicle for that
… as they are very transparent, in the meetings as well as the minutes

Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct - https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/

Matthew_Atkinson: This is the quarterly reminder of one of W3C's most important documents, the Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct
… and an associated community group
… it is there to resolve problems
… escalate any problem to the chairs, the community group

New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

<Matthew_Atkinson> presetn+

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

Task Force & Deliverables Updates

CSS Color Level 5 review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0002.html

Matthew_Atkinson: The bulk of our suggestions regard the use of color in the presentation of this document

David: We would like to pay attention to possible trigger words in the color palette
… trigger words for health accessibility

rrsagent make minutes

Matthew_Atkinson: (Walked through and discussed the details of his comment with APA)

janina: I find this should be an APA comment

RESOLUTION: APA will run a CfC to make Matthew_Atkinson's CSS comments (with proposed revisions) an APA comment

WCAG 2.2 CR review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0005.html

<janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0005.html

janina: This comment seems unrealistic and makes WCAG look like it does not know what is going on the world
… the issue, https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305

janina: To be clear, I am speaking as an invited expert to W3C (and not as a Chair or an advisor to UserWay)
… though it did come up in conversations with Lionel

<Matthew_Atkinson> The issue is with the "Sometimes" that starts §5.4: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#conformance-partial

Lionel: we are looking at this, https://www.w3.org/TR/accessibility-conformance-challenges/#Challenge-2

Matthew_Atkinson: Does anyone have an objection to the word 'sometimes' in that paragraph?
… I heard objections

janina: We agreed that 'sometimes' is not acceptable to APA
… janina suggests increasingly, but the exponential curve was objected to
… others suggested, 'many'

Matthew_Atkinson: we can discuss it over the next week, and this is an issue we want to resolve

becky: I propose, avoid the adjective and just start with 'later web pages...'

<Matthew_Atkinson> s/Propose, avoid/As proposed at the end of the comment, avoid/

<Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent make minutes

<Matthew_Atkinson> Note: latest comment at time of meeting: https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305#issuecomment-1209655125

<Lionel_Wolberger> s/https:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/accessibility-conformance-challenges\/#Challenge-2\/[link]

Summary of resolutions

  1. APA will run a CfC to make Matthew_Atkinson's CSS comments (with proposed revisions) an APA comment
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Maybe present: David, Lionel