W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force

21 June 2022

Attendees

Present
jamesn, jongund, MarkMcCarthy, Matt_King, Rich_Noah, siri
Regrets
-
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
jongund

Meeting minutes

zakim scribe, jongunderson

Home Page

MK: I have a PR from last week

MK: MM reviewed the changes

JG: I can provide a review after the call

MK: If JG approves I will push to main

MK: Anything Rich?

Rich: Looks good

JumpTo updates

MK: We are updating in PR #131

MK: Fixes bugs

MK: Rich can you review the changes

MK: I need help with the scroll to bottom issue

Rich: I will get a reviewer tomorrow

MK: It touched 150 files

Rich: It is all the files with the JumpTo in, so we need to go back and testing

Rich: Hopefully merge tomorrow when Shaun gets back

Seth: We have made some changes

Seth: What about fixes

Seth: What about changes in the future

Seth: What ever version we use we want to track changes

MK: We have a version right now, and we can make changes ourselves

JN: Do we have a dependency on 4.2?

JN: We have our own version

MK: I cannot find anyting about BSD about versioning

Milestone planning

MK: Want to provide information where we are going next

MK: Especially in the Jeckle repo, we will have a project to track the progress

MK: Milestones for that quarter

<Matt_King> Q2 milestone for site build repo: https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/milestone/2

MK: If you look at this milesont, you can see a descrption

MK: We will track how we are progressing through these milestones

<Matt_King> q3 milestone: https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/milestone/3

MK: I put in high level goals, a proposal, we need to line up with Q3 goals

MK: How I am structuring for our priorities

MK: I just want to make sure the issues in the project board are in this

Rich: We need to move everything forward

Ricj: There are 5 items in the backlog

MK: If we don't finish them we will carry forward

MK: Since we are in trensistion from a PR to a website, so there is some smoke and mirros here

MK: There is code quality work...

MK: There is aligning with ARIA 1.3 ....

MK: We still have content we need for ARIA 1.1

MK: How do we have useful conversations about priorities and how the group will shape the priorities

MK: Otherwise should the editors set the priorities and shephard the group to those priorities

MK: Any thoughts?

MK: Are we off track becasue we are not doing X or Y

JN: What you got seems good

MK: I will just keep trying to do this

MK: I did write something about APG

MK: Our original goal was to describe ARIA

JN: People expect something different

MK: You shouldn't have to go to more than one place to build an accordian

MK: I wrote something up, on how we pritorize and what the bocoup team works on

MK: That's all for milestones now

MK: In the description of the milestone in the Q3, in the heading and you expand it, setting the build process that transforms...

Rich: Alright

MK: Building out the about section, coverage report and the quality reports, and then developing an automated change history

MK: Being able to see the history of changes in a user friendly way

MK: The WAI site has an example of this

MK: I want to discuss the timing of the study, not necessarily this quarter

MK: We need to talk about as a group

MK: That gets back to content, we want content for ARIA 1.3, and we have milestones

MK: We don't need to talk about that in detail, time lines?

JN: I will be talking to Valarie, we need to get cors-aam to rec and then it goes evergreen

MK: Is ARIA 1.2 blocked by core-aam?

JN: Yes, I have been bugging MC about getting a wide review out, doing what we can

MK: I need to have a planning with Valerie for 1.3

JN: Valarie is better on planning than I am, so that should help

MK: We will come back to this

JN: Hopeflly connect with Valerie next week

MK: Some ARIA 1.3 is ready

JN: I am out for 3 weeks in July

JN: Next year I can get a sabatical

discussion of vacation time....

Rich: We do have the outstanding issue of re-directs, I sen you an e-mail

MK: Sould we talk about it?

JN: We need to announce something about what we are doing

Redirects

RichL Talked to W3C webmaster and he said what he has done

Rich: This material is out of date, and then a link to new material

Rich: W3C does not want to do automatic redirects on dated content

JN: What about examples, they are just broken

Rich: The pages are still there, but they have been removed from being served

Rich: I am going down the dated path to get a redirected to latest content

MK: If you look in the URL there is a date

<Rich_Noah> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/NOTE-wai-aria-practices-1.2-20211129/examples/disclosure/disclosure-navigation.html

JN: If someone had the non-dated version, why wouldn't that automatically redirect?

Rich: I am looking at the timeliness of the solution, this is the fastest way

Seth: Are they OK re-directing the non-dated short links

Seth: There is a non-dated modal dialog, and they were comfortable redirecting them

Rich: Description of short links they are comfortable re-directing

Rich: If the task force want to the time

MK: What if we give them mappings

Rich: I gave them the mappings

SethL I am happy generating them

RichL I mean time for a solution, if it is urgent

MK: We are getting complaints about the non-dated links to non-dated examples. exact same mapping

MK: we eitehr get a warning or an automatic redirect

Rich: I will pose the question, and see what he says

MK: Let's move forward on 1.1 and 1.2 as quick as possible

MK: Later we can decide if it is worth it on the dated ones

MK We just don't want search engines to continue mining them

MK: I wonder how the warning works with screen readers

Rich: He provided me with an example of the redirect

<Rich_Noah> This is an example of the warning: https://mir.w3.org/~denis/wai-example/

Seth: To some extent the dated examples have always been out of date

MK: In 1.1 and 1.2 the content is in those dated pages

MK: You don't see the date

Seth: If the distinction is important, we will make a buch a chnages, but not fixed all the links out there

Seth: I think the clean URL are a higher priority than the dated

MK: Rich I am happy you are in direct contact, let's try to get some amount of progress

Rich: I will not be able to contact until tomorrow morning

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