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17:58:08 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
17:58:16 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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18:07:04 <jongund> TOPIC: Home Page
18:07:13 <Rich_Noah> present+
18:07:23 <jongund> MK: I have a PR from last week
18:07:43 <jongund> MK: MM reviewed the changes
18:08:12 <jongund> JG: I can provide a review after the call
18:08:26 <jongund> MK: If JG approves I will push to main
18:08:34 <jongund> MK: Anything Rich?
18:08:41 <jongund> Rich: Looks good
18:11:33 <jongund> TOPIC: JumpTo updates
18:11:51 <jongund> MK: We are updating in PR #131
18:11:57 <jongund> MK: Fixes bugs
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18:12:18 <jamesn> q+
18:12:31 <jongund> MK: Rich can you review the changes
18:12:34 <siri> present +
18:12:45 <jongund> MK: I need help with the scroll to bottom issue
18:13:01 <jongund> Rich: I will get a reviewer tomorrow
18:13:13 <jongund> MK: It touched 150 files
18:13:56 <jongund> Rich: It is all the files with the JumpTo in, so we need to go back and testing
18:14:15 <jongund> Rich: Hopefully merge tomorrow when Shaun gets back
18:14:18 <jamesn> q?
18:14:50 <jongund> Seth: We have made some changes
18:15:08 <jongund> Seth: What about fixes
18:15:32 <jongund> Seth: What about changes in the future
18:17:25 <jongund> Seth: What ever version we use we want to track changes
18:17:57 <jongund> MK: We have a version right now, and we can make changes ourselves
18:18:32 <jongund> JN: Do we have a dependency on 4.2?
18:18:43 <jongund> JN: We have our own version
18:19:07 <jongund> MK: I cannot find anyting about BSD about versioning
18:23:15 <jongund> TOPIC: Milestone planning
18:24:25 <jongund> MK: Want to provide information where we are going next
18:25:07 <jongund> MK: Especially in the Jeckle repo, we will have a project to track the progress
18:25:26 <jongund> MK: Milestones for that quarter
18:26:14 <Matt_King> Q2 milestone for site build repo: https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/milestone/2
18:26:42 <jongund> MK: If you look at this milesont, you can see a descrption
18:27:19 <jongund> MK: We will track how we are progressing through these milestones
18:27:47 <Matt_King> q3 milestone: https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/milestone/3
18:28:26 <jongund> MK: I put in high level goals, a proposal, we need to line up with Q3 goals
18:29:09 <jongund> MK: How I am structuring for our priorities
18:29:55 <jongund> MK: I just want to make sure the issues in the project board are in this
18:30:09 <jongund> Rich: We need to move everything forward
18:30:33 <jongund> Ricj: There are 5 items in the backlog
18:31:08 <jongund> MK: If we don't finish them we will carry forward
18:32:03 <jongund> MK: Since we are in trensistion from a PR to a website, so there is some smoke and mirros here
18:32:23 <jongund> MK: There is code quality work...
18:32:38 <jongund> MK: There is aligning with ARIA 1.3 ....
18:32:51 <jongund> MK: We still have content we need for ARIA 1.1
18:33:25 <jongund> MK: How do we have useful conversations about priorities and how the group will shape the priorities
18:33:56 <jongund> MK: Otherwise should the editors set the priorities and shephard the group to those priorities
18:34:29 <jongund> MK: Any thoughts?
18:34:47 <jongund> MK: Are we off track becasue we are not doing X or Y
18:35:13 <jongund> JN: What you got seems good
18:35:22 <jongund> MK: I will just keep trying to do this
18:36:33 <jongund> MK: I did write something about APG
18:36:46 <jongund> MK: Our original goal was to describe ARIA
18:36:56 <jongund> JN: People expect something different
18:37:22 <jongund> MK: You shouldn't have to go to more than one place to build an accordian
18:38:15 <jongund> MK: I wrote something up, on how we pritorize and what the bocoup team works on
18:38:29 <jongund> MK: That's all for milestones now
18:39:34 <jongund> MK: In the description of the milestone in the Q3, in the heading and you expand it, setting the build process that transforms...
18:39:39 <jongund> Rich: Alright
18:40:09 <jongund> MK: Building out the about section, coverage report and the quality reports, and then developing an automated change history
18:40:37 <jongund> MK: Being able to see the history of changes in a user friendly way
18:40:51 <jongund> MK: The WAI site has an example of this
18:41:18 <jongund> MK: I want to discuss the timing of the study, not necessarily this quarter
18:41:27 <jongund> MK: We need to talk about as a group
18:42:03 <jongund> MK: That gets back to content, we want content for ARIA 1.3, and we have milestones
18:42:23 <jongund> MK: We don't need to talk about that in detail, time lines?
18:42:59 <jongund> JN: I will be talking to Valarie, we need to get cors-aam to rec and then it goes evergreen
18:43:18 <jongund> MK: Is ARIA 1.2 blocked by core-aam?
18:43:42 <jongund> JN: Yes, I have been bugging MC about getting a wide review out, doing what we can
18:43:56 <jongund> MK: I need to have a planning with Valerie for 1.3
18:44:19 <jongund> JN: Valarie is better on planning than I am, so that should help
18:44:28 <jongund> MK: We will come back to this
18:44:49 <jongund> JN: Hopeflly connect with Valerie next week
18:45:04 <jongund> MK: Some ARIA 1.3 is ready
18:45:17 <jongund> JN: I am out for 3 weeks in July
18:45:31 <jongund> JN: Next year I can get a sabatical
18:46:37 <jongund> discussion of vacation time....
18:48:19 <jongund> Rich: We do have the outstanding issue of re-directs, I sen you an e-mail
18:48:36 <jongund> MK: Sould we talk about it?
18:48:54 <jongund> JN: We need to announce something about what we are doing
18:49:04 <jongund> TOPIC: Redirects
18:49:28 <jongund> RichL Talked to W3C webmaster and he said what he has done
18:49:53 <jongund> Rich: This material is out of date, and then a link to new material
18:50:21 <jongund> Rich: W3C does not want to do automatic redirects on dated content
18:50:34 <jongund> JN: What about examples, they are just broken
18:51:32 <jongund> Rich: The pages are still there, but they have been removed from being served
18:51:59 <jongund> Rich: I am going down the dated path to get a redirected to latest content
18:52:12 <jongund> MK: If you look in the URL there is a date
18:52:25 <Rich_Noah> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/NOTE-wai-aria-practices-1.2-20211129/examples/disclosure/disclosure-navigation.html
18:53:08 <jongund> JN: If someone had the non-dated version, why wouldn't that automatically redirect?
18:53:40 <jongund> Rich: I am looking at the timeliness of the solution, this is the fastest way
18:53:58 <jongund> Seth: Are they OK re-directing the non-dated short links
18:54:30 <jongund> Seth: There is a non-dated modal dialog, and they were comfortable redirecting them
18:54:55 <jongund> Rich: Description of short links they are comfortable re-directing
18:55:30 <jongund> Rich: If the task force want to the time
18:55:39 <jongund> MK: What if we give them mappings
18:55:51 <jongund> Rich: I gave them the mappings
18:56:07 <jongund> SethL I am happy generating them
18:56:37 <jongund> RichL I mean time for a solution, if it is urgent
18:57:28 <jongund> MK: We are getting complaints about the non-dated links to non-dated examples. exact same mapping
18:57:48 <jongund> MK: we eitehr get a warning or an automatic redirect
18:58:11 <jongund> Rich: I will pose the question, and see what he says
18:58:31 <jongund> MK: Let's move forward on 1.1 and 1.2 as quick as possible
18:58:49 <jongund> MK: Later we can decide if it is worth it on the dated ones
18:59:12 <jongund> MK We just don't want search engines to continue mining them
18:59:37 <jongund> MK: I wonder how the warning works with screen readers
18:59:56 <jongund> Rich: He provided me with an example of the redirect
19:00:08 <Rich_Noah> This is an example of the warning: https://mir.w3.org/~denis/wai-example/
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19:00:37 <jongund> Seth: To some extent the dated examples have always been out of date
19:00:51 <jongund> MK: In 1.1 and 1.2 the content is in those dated pages
19:01:11 <jongund> MK: You don't see the date
19:01:43 <jongund> Seth: If the distinction is important, we will make a buch a chnages, but not fixed all the links out there
19:02:05 <jongund> Seth: I think the clean URL are a higher priority than the dated
19:02:48 <jongund> MK: Rich I am happy you are in direct contact, let's try to get some amount of progress
19:03:08 <jongund> Rich: I will not be able to contact until tomorrow morning
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