Meeting minutes
Quick updates around the table
Dave: EPUB 3 is in CR!!
Wendy: Yay!
Dave: we're working on
security & privacy stuff now, after an academic paper was
published
… we invited the author of that paper to our WG
meeting last week
Tzviya: it was really
interesting
… any announcement for WAI? just a blog post?
Wendy: I fixed the tags; adding the ebook tag
Ralph: congratulations to the WG; the testing work is a huge contribution
Ivan: and it's not yet done;
we need more testers to both write and run tests
… there's documentation on how to do this
… and also a slack channel
<wendyreid> https://
Liisa: the BG has been
struggling to find time to meet
… the co-chairs have been traveling a lot
… and trying to figure out what to communicate w.r.t.
EAA
… we're trying to get together the education community
thing we had talked about
… slow going at the moment
… we are trying to get a meeting before the end of
June
Tzviya: maybe we can try a
joint meeting in the BG timeslot
… could be on use cases
Liisa: I'd love to have a
joint WG meeting to talk about FXL
… piracy is also big on people's minds; we're hearing
that people are spending a lot of time on that
Wendy: piracy is a hard problem
Liisa: there could be some idea sharing; there are things that can be done
Tzviya: sounds like a joint meeting with the CG
<Ralph> +1
Liisa: I'll reach out to the CG and see if we can schedule a joint session
Zheng: the CG had a joint
meeting with the WG
… the topic naturally narrowed down to education and
annotation
… we also discussed an approach to how the CG can work
with the WG to provide more use cases
… and start to discover more practice
… the CG has a lot of work to do
… we look forward to a joint meeting with the BG
… a lot of the CG is interested in FXL
… feel free to reach out to us via the CG mailing list
… we encourage peopel to throw questions in there
… in terms of piracy, I have some ideas there too
Wolfgang: we started a TF
lead by Paul Belfante to collect use cases for education
… from people interested in education publishing
Wendy: a joint meeting with
the FXL TF might be productive
… we're trying to work on best practice documentation
… it would be very helpful to know what best practice
ideas would you like documented
Outcomes from the 8 June WG/CG joint meeting
Discussion/Planning for "Web Digital Publishing futures" TPAC session
Wendy: we don't yet have a
plan for what work needs to be done after the current WG ends
… I thought it would be a good idea to hold something
at TPAC to find out what people from the publishing industry need in
the next generation of standards
… I'm being intentionally vague; the idea is to come
with problems and not solutions
… focus on what problems people have now, what are
their requirements for a digital publishing standard
… involve publishers from all parts of publishing,
including the various parts of trade publishing
… include tool vendors, retailers, ...
… make sure we include everybody and brainstorm
together
… whatever we do next should be cognizant of the
various parts of the industry
… talk about what people hope to get from the next
generation of standards
… and propose a charter that can get multi-stakeholder
support
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to talk brainstorm
Wendy: we should be sending invitations very soon
Tzviya: we're envisioning a
whiteboarding session in an accessible way
… thinking back to how IDPF did things when we came to
the close of specification work
… what problems do we have with this spec?
… a brain dump; we won't be able to work on everything
everyone suggests
… we want to get an idea of what people want though we
may only work on 1 or 2 of them
… we're trying to get the idea of what people's
problems are and what we can come to consensus to work on
Bill: I love the idea
… to get an appropriate cross-section of people, I'm
very glad we're considering hybrid
… it's an excellent recruiting opportunity
Tzviya: the invitations cannot be "so we want you to join W3C"
Bill: no; I'd draft specific
people to join the conversation
… I have a lot of contacts with people in various
parts of publishing who might come to the discussion
… I can identify good people in a variety of sectors
Ralph: +1 to make this as broad
<liisamk> +1 to the idea and to a broad conversation
<wolfgang> +1 to Wendy's idea to elicit more feedback from the whole range of the publishing business
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask about some logistics
Tzviya: are we thinking 2 hours, 4 hours, 40 people? 100 People?
Wendy: 8 hours is too much;
I'm thinking 2-4 hours
… it depends on the number of people and how many
might be remote
… remote participation will add time
… maybe an introductory whiteboarding session where
people dump everything they can think of, then a break, then group
the ideas into concepts
… there will be a lot of ideas that we'll have to
distill
Liisa: I'd like to find a
way to make the break useful to the remote participants
… so it's not biased to the in-person attendees
<Ralph> very strong +1 to engaging the remote participants
Tzviya: maybe we can do Zoom breakouts?
Wendy: I'm happy to facilitate and will lean on colleagues to help
Wolfgang: how will we deal with the timezone difference?
<Bill_Kasdorf> One of the people I would ask to join is in Estonia.
Wolfgang: it's nine hours difference between Vancouver and Europe
Avneesh: I fear putting all
eggs in one basket and the uncertainties of what might happen in
September
… Vancouver is challenging w.r.t. timezones
… if Bill has an idea of who to contact already, let's
start the public engagement sessions before TPAC so we're not
completely dependent on TPAC
… that would also help solve the timezone issues
… one or two calls starting in July
… collect ideas and start to shape them before TPAC
<Ralph> +1 to Avneesh as well
Cristina: it makes sense to
duplicate sessions and define some well-structured topics that can be
done twice
… similar to a PBG meeting
… allow people to participate in a more comfortable
way
… define in the Zoom room(s) specific topic to discuss
Tzviya: good points that
we're putting too much value on the f2f meeting
… people get excited about brainstorming together
… but I like Avneesh' suggestion to start before TPAC
… maybe Wendy and I can start a document on what we're
looking for
… and maybe hold one session in July at an
Asia-friendly time
… perhaps another in August before TPAC
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to talk about next steps
Cristina: I was thinking about areas of discussion, not necessarily specific topics
Liisa: we could also use some of the PBG time this summer to start the conversation and get people thinking about gathering ideas
George: I like Avneesh'
idea; could we have rotating chairs of the smaller meetings?
… different people attract others with different ideas
… not one person running all of them
Bill: the preliminary
meetings are a great idea, but should not be solely for the
participants of the current groups
… most of the people I would invite are from other
communities
… and not necessarily candidates to join any of these
groups
Tzviya: Wendy and I will
write a draft
… the sessions will be open to anyone
ACTION: Tzviya and Wendy write a draft TPAC publishing brainstorming session
Ralph: For event planning,
we need some kind of estimate of what to ask for TPAC planning
… we might ask for no more than 2-2hour sessions for
20-25 people, if it's WG people plus others, the largest room is for
50 people
… if you want me to put in a bid for the largest room,
I can try
Tzviya: if we're going to
have two 1-1.5 hour sessions with a break inbetween, it would be nice
to have that in one room
… hard to know how many might attend
… if it's the same day as the EPUB WG meeting, then
I'd expect all of them to attend
Bill: the kinds of people I'd invite would be mostly remote
Avneesh: +1
Ralph: I was thinking that some of the people we'd like to participate will already be there for other TPAC meetings
Wendy: the same space we've
asked for the WG is probably sufficient
… maybe Tuesday morning as the WG is meeting in the
afternoon
… that would accomodate Europe
EPUB 3 Titles for use as references
EPUB 3 titles for use in marketing and testing
George: I was in a call on
Monday talking about K12 and we wanted to point to some example EPUB
documents
… someone suggested some titles
<dauwhe> https://
George: I've had the
experience of large ebooks that crash some reading systems
… I was thinking about books that stress reading
systems, with a range of content
… the industry needs such a place where they can find
content they can use for testing, demonstration, and testing
Ivan: the EPUB tests are not the right thing for this
George: right; this is a CG thing where we build out a set of books people can use
Tzviya: perhaps take a look at the old epub sample library and update the files
Wendy: what parameters are
we trying to test? large books? what's "large"? thousands of chapters
in individual files or in one file?
… write the test cases; are videos remote or embedded?
audio remote or embedded?
George: I have an immediate
need
… I think we could work with standardebook.org
… make sure their book is up to snuff and push fixes
… if we want to do something separate in the CG, I
think that would be interesting
Dave: there is the EPUB3
sample repository ^^
… with existing infrastructure
… it probably has an old epubcheck
Zheng: I like the idea to
have more EPUBs for demonstration, testing, and marketing
… I'd like to find more examples to demonstrate my
platform
… I like the idea
… we should create something everyone can use
George: can the CG set up
the infrastructure? that would be great
… we can mark things as to when they are updated
… and let people contribute
Tzviya: who runs standardebook.org?
Wendy: Alex Cabal
Ralph: I'm happy to assist in creating the backing store for this
Bill: it's a good idea;
there are two use cases
… 1. testing
… 2. good examples of EPUB
… we're talking about both, right?
George: and a 3rd; interesting content that will turn people on
Bill: yeah; "did you know you could do this with EPUB?"
Tzviya: something good for
the CG to take up and anyone can contribute content
… the books in the repository should be EPUB 3.1 and
should be easy to update
… there's a lot of demonstration of MathML that we
might not want to show off yet
Next meeting
Tzviya: I can't join you on 8 July
Liisa: how about 15 July?
Tzviya, Wendy: the 15th works better for me
ACTION: Ralph (re)schedule the July SC meeting for 15 July
Ivan: likely regrets
[adjourned]