W3C

– DRAFT –
A11y Functional Needs

10 May 2022

Attendees

Present
Todd
Regrets
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Chair
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Scribe
JakeAbma

Meeting minutes

Co-ord with COGA and update on functional needs

LS: we were pointed at the Functional needs list, liked basics, also had questions

LS: great if more people look at it and also do some coordination with COGA

<Lisa> did you see https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/#research-on-cognitive-function

JS: COGA already done a lot of work

JS: a summary of COGA document is wished for by people

<Lisa> did you see https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/#research-on-cognitive-function

<Rain_> We also have the very high level list that we use for presentations: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YeqvkeE6xbh8yAAUvliA6v4MqbLsj28dFxzRcMyGTz0/edit#slide=id.gf91fe473a4_0_8

<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to speak to Janinas point about Content Usable

LS: brain works in different ways for different parts, not 'one-size-fits-all'

JOC: we try to keep it broad, granularity is good but we also want broader version for developers, UX designers, etc..

<Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/

<Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#inventory-user-needs

<Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZeCqTRTY0lmWvp1Xv_wO0iH1OzyECBa1UXQ_UeocjQ/edit#

<MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/fast/

<Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/fast/#inventory-functional-and-user-needs

<Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/fast/#develop-matrix-of-functional-and-user-needs

<Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/fast/#develop-matrix-of-functional-and-user-needs

<Joshue108> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POhgI_xHZtSoNbHFp3r5HYIkl6ePaP8DC5d90SZ1tF4/edit#gid=752043294

<Joshue108> JA: What do you mean about Safety?

<Joshue108> LS: I can handle issues of nuance, but in the context of mental health there are a slew of other issues.

<Joshue108> Some wont access mental health services due to fear of being exposed (as having a problem) for example

<Joshue108> JA: In our matrix Safety is not a category that is essential - we considered removing

<Joshue108> JOC: +1 to Jake - there was a scope issue with this work

<Joshue108> JA: Exactly - Todd also had good insight into this.

<Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#appendix-mapping-user-needs-personas-and-patterns

<Joshue108> LS: We have mapped patterns and scenarios to user stories

<Joshue108> JA: I can give some background

<Joshue108> <Gives background on how the way of writing a user need has great variability>

<Lisa> our user needs: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#user_needs

<Joshue108> There is little consistency - we were thinking how we can create clear user needs and outcomes - we decided that we need a rather high level list. Not too granular.

<Joshue108> JA: In the end we were looking for high level

<Joshue108> JA: What are the deltas that give us requirements?

<Joshue108> Higher level consistent user need list - is what we wanted

<Joshue108> LS: We have an issue that WCAG did not cover COGA needs sufficiently.

<Joshue108> There are issues of partial support etc - we need to do a review of that - and introduce mental health issues

LS: WCAG lacks COGA needs, so we need to see where we may add missing parts

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WKGPMiDL8CKcXWr0md09ZLwZEPdoxeNTNQsf8IuszqQ/edit#heading=h.6flbja9pmm8c

JOC: also worked on Deceptive Pattern and possible Outcomes

<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to introduce Deceptive patterns

JS: like the high level User Needs layer, COGA can more deep and also that is worthy, the high level abstraction is very usable though

RM: what would be the next steps?

JOC: we spend much time on high level User Needs, that one needs to be looked at

JOC: done multiple experiments, looking for next focus

<Joshue108> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POhgI_xHZtSoNbHFp3r5HYIkl6ePaP8DC5d90SZ1tF4/edit#gid=752043294

<Rain_> Is it worth screensharing in order to make sure we are looking at the right thing?

<Rain_> thank you

LS: not sure if Funtional Needs match our list / work

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZeCqTRTY0lmWvp1Xv_wO0iH1OzyECBa1UXQ_UeocjQ/edit#heading=h.4jiwp8jpc143

JA: Functional needs list might be best candidate to focus on now

<Zakim> Lisa, you wanted to comment on concerns to deceptive patterns and to agree with Jake , we just want to map them

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Maybe present: JA, JOC, JS, LS, RM