Meeting minutes
Introductions
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Work on extending crosswalk of schema.org accessibility metadata and ONIX to MARC
<avneeshsingh> https://
avneesh: UniMarc or Marc21
Michelle: There are even more but those two are fine to start
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Gautier: France is waiting to see a complete set before adding to Unimarc. They are watching what we do.
… Unimarc has a mapping for ONIX 196
Avneesh: we should have a liaison to that group
Gautier: I will encourage them to join us
Chris Oliver: Also on IFLA committee on standards. MARC reports to them. They will be interested and I can make a contact there
Avneesh: Is MARC21 also in progress?
Gautier: I started to make a table with MARC21 and UniMarc and I would like to have it reviewed by MARC and UniMarc specialists. I can publish it as a work in progress.
Chris Oliver: Chris Carr and Julie Cardinale have been wanting this mapping. We may need more granularity to ensure we retain all the richness of the metadata
George: Interest in Marrakesh means we should ask WIPO-ABC to add the metadata to their system of records as people start providing it.
Avneesh: that might not be needed for a little while yet
Chris Oliver: LOC has announced they will use MARC fields. Vocabularies are also important. Also how to display to the user is important, as this group has been working on
Avneesh: Either this work goes on in another group and we collaborate with them, but if no one is doing it, we could start it in this group. What do people think?
Christopher_Carr: Canadian Committee on Metadata Exchange created the fields but didn't get good uptake. LOC needs a vocabulary list before they can use it and we want to use W3C vocabulary
… also working with audio video catalogers group who are interested in helping with the vocabulary. LOC is also interested in helping but the effort got stalled
… Libraries have guidelines to say use accessibility markup but no details. I'd like to help move this forward.
Michelle: I suggest working with the Genre Form groups rather than Subject Heading, if it fits in the 655s.
… controlled vocabularies are handled differently than the fields.
… work on new ways to use MARC fields is in progress in the Music group
Chris Oliver: Need to know what the cross-walk looks like before we can make a concrete proposal. Make a working group to look at cross-walk that Gautier has started
… then go to committees such as Canadian CME to make a proposal.
… See what we need to add. More subfields? Just vocabulary?
… RDA has an accessibility content element. No granularity. Could create a more granular implementation to connect to RDA data model through that element
… Or bring a proposal to RDA for greater granularity
… Could be a good time to push for more standards since equity is on the agenda everywhere
Charles: Good to hear MARC has some work in place. With ONIX, we saw what was already there and suggested some new fields.
… Same approach here? Start with experts on both sides to see what is already matching and then see what is needed
Michelle: Does the crosswalk reflect the actual state of MARC records in other platforms? There's a lot of wonderful work by people making MARC records doing all sorts of things that discovery systems don't use
… want to be functional and useful in the real world?
George: Vendors like VitalSource and Red Shelf and NELS in Canada have done some mapping.
… vendors display accessibility metadata in their online catalogs so professors can see it, students can see it
… Would love to see that in libraries so patrons can find items they can use
… My understanding is that MARC has a bucket for a11y but no details
Michelle: there are tags inside the field, but it is one field.
… There are other ways to manipulate MARC for example Genre Form fields
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Michelle: Need to investigate if systems are exposing 341 for users
Charles: Discovery is very important to us, so we do want to enable that
<Kirsi> There is also another MARC21 field 532 Accessibility Note: https://
Charles: start with mapping and then also work on discovery interfaces
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to answer Michelle_
Tzviya: The 341 list looks like it will fit in well with our previous work. Implementation isn't needed for this level of W3C work, but we will want to get this out for inclusion and then eventually systems will adapt it
… European Accessibility Act requirements will be a big help, just need to get the mapping to everyone who needs it
Bill: Would be great to use this in WorldCat. I have contacts at OCLC. Maybe we should get someone there involved
Avneesh: Yes, after cross-walk and after missing pieces are filled in, then we talk to WorldCat and Accessible Book Service
Christopher Carr: Second field is 532 for Accessibility Note, human readable description of features, hazards, and things that are lacking
… No one has implemented because there is no vocabulary to fill the 341 field
… No, not hazards. But that might be able to be added
… We looked to match Schema.org list so it should work well together
… good for all materials in library, not just print, which is great
… If we approach LOC with a stable vocab with a stable supporting organization, they may be more open to it
… For Canada we would need it in French as well, which we would need to approve
<Michelle_> For discovery purposes, the 532 will be hard to index
Gautier: Cross-walk could have surprises. Many of the fields we need may exist in MARC outside 341, but we need to go and find them. Reflowable, pagination, not flagged for a11y but are there
… We should collect list of people using this info
George: Is 532 a direct map to our summary field?
Charles: Sounds like
Michelle: Depends how it is used, could be
George: EPUB has schema.org inside, but ONIX is external. Which will be either for MARC systems to ingest?
Bill: LOC would need the vocab to have a permanent home. Is W3C recommendation appropriate? Is Registry needed?
Avneesh: Those are difficult decisions, for later
Chris Oliver: Best practices and guidelines are very important for helping people use the new metadata
Avneesh: UniMARC is further along. MARC21 is promising. We should start by filling out the cross-walk to see if there are gaps.
… First step is the cross-walk which Gautier has started
Gautier: Work was started in French so needs some adaptation to share in English. Will try to do for next week.
Chris Oliver: add me to the mailing list, and also Chris Carr
Michelle: I can also join the mailing list
George: I will send out a link for joining
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Avneesh: Not much time for agenda about Summary. Please comment on the issue tracker
Avneesh: Thank you everyone for this great call and for the new experts who have joined us