Silver functional

20 January 2022


Jake Abma, JakeAbma, JF, Joshue108, Todd Libby

Meeting minutes

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Deceptive patterns

<JF> Todd to add content to document. Any progress?

<JF> Todd: needs edit accesss

deceptive patterns doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIDFsPTrx_edyXlMf3m4pvsOTYfI3NW-x3-VV3rmDAo/edit

jakes asks JF about personalization work

and extracting outcomes adding to matrix

<JF> "Module 1" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html

could we get this on agenda for next couple of weeks?

jf: sure

<john gives overview of work>

JA: This would be a good exercise for this group

To see what has the right fit

JA: I think a large part of the future of a11y is in the area of customization and personalization

JS: I'm having a problem with some SC's being a part of operable

Where does customisation/personalisation fit?

<JF> "Module 2" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/help/index.html

JF: Isn't sure what Jake is asking.

<JF> "Module 3" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/help/index.html

JOC: I know what Jake is saying..

JOC: There is a bunch of things which may need to be under a new Guideline IMO>

JF: do look at the docs, there are some new attributes suggested

Fixed values => taxonomy

JF: A tool can take that information and do modality transformation

The personalization spec is aimed at identifying solutions

happy to see if these problems are captured in the matrix

Review of Personalization modules

JF: Discusses this module 1 doc https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html

Some of this maps to the COGA principles of making things easier to find

JA: tries to figure out relationship between user need and functional need in this context

Solutions may be action attributes with certain values

ARIA or personalization documents for example

need to work out placing..

<JF> <button data-action="undo">Revert</button>, <button data-action="undo">Scrap that</button>, <button data-action="undo">Go Back 1 step</button>

i'd like to have clear outcomes

jf: shoes personalization example and discusses

JOC: that seems like an unrealistic example - especially where you have <button data-action="undo">Revert</button>

Maybe if it was <SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON data-action="undo">Revert</SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON> - that would be better?

<JF> <button data-action="undo">Gobbledy-gook</button>

<JakeAbma> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/

<JakeAbma> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist.html

<button div data-action="undo">Revert</button div >, <button div data-action="revert_the_undo_">Scrap that</button div >.... i dont know what the last one is for..

Joc: so can JF do a review of our matrix in the light of what is in personalization spec?

JA: yeah

JOC: So you are talking about a reserved keyword taxonomy that does stuff machine understand?

JF: Yup

<JF> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Requirements

JOC: This doc is useful, as there is an interesting heading structure here that reflects a nice list of 'features' for personalization that could be useful for our matrix

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