IRC log of silver-functional on 2022-01-20
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- Meeting: Silver functional
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- present+ John F
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- present+ Todd Libby
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- Present+ Jake Abma
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- Topic: Deceptive patterns
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- Todd to add content to document. Any progress?
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- Todd: needs edit accesss
- 13:06:38 [Joshue108]
- deceptive patterns doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIDFsPTrx_edyXlMf3m4pvsOTYfI3NW-x3-VV3rmDAo/edit
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- jakes asks JF about personalization work
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- and extracting outcomes adding to matrix
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- "Module 1" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html
- 13:13:10 [Joshue108]
- could we get this on agenda for next couple of weeks?
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- jf: sure
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- <john gives overview of work>
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- JA: This would be a good exercise for this group
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- To see what has the right fit
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- JA: I think a large part of the future of a11y is in the area of customization and personalization
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- JS: I'm having a problem with some SC's being a part of operable
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- Where does customisation/personalisation fit?
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- "Module 2" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/help/index.html
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- JF: Isn't sure what Jake is asking.
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- "Module 3" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/help/index.html
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- JOC: I know what Jake is saying..
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- JOC: There is a bunch of things which may need to be under a new Guideline IMO>
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- JF: do look at the docs, there are some new attributes suggested
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- Fixed values => taxonomy
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- JF: A tool can take that information and do modality transformation
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- The personalization spec is aimed at identifying solutions
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- happy to see if these problems are captured in the matrix
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- TOPIC: Review of Personalization modules
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- JF: Discusses this module 1 doc https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html
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- Some of this maps to the COGA principles of making things easier to find
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- JA: tries to figure out relationship between user need and functional need in this context
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- Solutions may be action attributes with certain values
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- ARIA or personalization documents for example
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- need to work out placing..
- 13:23:48 [JF]
- <button data-action="undo">Revert</button>, <button data-action="undo">Scrap that</button>, <button data-action="undo">Go Back 1 step</button>
- 13:23:52 [Joshue108]
- i'd like to have clear outcomes
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- jf: shoes personalization example and discusses
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- JOC: that seems like an unrealistic example - especially where you have <button data-action="undo">Revert</button>
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- Maybe if it was <SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON data-action="undo">Revert</SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON> - that would be better?
- 13:26:45 [JF]
- <button data-action="undo">Gobbledy-gook</button>
- 13:27:27 [JakeAbma]
- https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
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- https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist.html
- 13:28:06 [Joshue108]
- <button div data-action="undo">Revert</button div >, <button div data-action="revert_the_undo_">Scrap that</button div >.... i dont know what the last one is for..
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- Joc: so can JF do a review of our matrix in the light of what is in personalization spec?
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- JA: yeah
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- JOC: So you are talking about a reserved keyword taxonomy that does stuff machine understand?
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- JF: Yup
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- https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Requirements
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- JOC: This doc is useful, as there is an interesting heading structure here that reflects a nice list of 'features' for personalization that could be useful for our matrix
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