IRC log of silver-functional on 2022-01-20

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Meeting: Silver functional
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present+ John F
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present+ Todd Libby
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Present+ Jake Abma
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Topic: Deceptive patterns
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Todd to add content to document. Any progress?
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Todd: needs edit accesss
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deceptive patterns doc
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jakes asks JF about personalization work
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and extracting outcomes adding to matrix
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"Module 1" -
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could we get this on agenda for next couple of weeks?
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jf: sure
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<john gives overview of work>
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JA: This would be a good exercise for this group
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To see what has the right fit
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JA: I think a large part of the future of a11y is in the area of customization and personalization
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JS: I'm having a problem with some SC's being a part of operable
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Where does customisation/personalisation fit?
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"Module 2" -
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JF: Isn't sure what Jake is asking.
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"Module 3" -
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JOC: I know what Jake is saying..
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JOC: There is a bunch of things which may need to be under a new Guideline IMO>
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JF: do look at the docs, there are some new attributes suggested
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Fixed values => taxonomy
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JF: A tool can take that information and do modality transformation
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The personalization spec is aimed at identifying solutions
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happy to see if these problems are captured in the matrix
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TOPIC: Review of Personalization modules
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JF: Discusses this module 1 doc
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Some of this maps to the COGA principles of making things easier to find
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JA: tries to figure out relationship between user need and functional need in this context
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Solutions may be action attributes with certain values
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ARIA or personalization documents for example
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need to work out placing..
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<button data-action="undo">Revert</button>, <button data-action="undo">Scrap that</button>, <button data-action="undo">Go Back 1 step</button>
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i'd like to have clear outcomes
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jf: shoes personalization example and discusses
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JOC: that seems like an unrealistic example - especially where you have <button data-action="undo">Revert</button>
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Maybe if it was <SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON data-action="undo">Revert</SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON> - that would be better?
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<button data-action="undo">Gobbledy-gook</button>
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<button div data-action="undo">Revert</button div >, <button div data-action="revert_the_undo_">Scrap that</button div >.... i dont know what the last one is for..
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Joc: so can JF do a review of our matrix in the light of what is in personalization spec?
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JA: yeah
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JOC: So you are talking about a reserved keyword taxonomy that does stuff machine understand?
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JF: Yup
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JOC: This doc is useful, as there is an interesting heading structure here that reflects a nice list of 'features' for personalization that could be useful for our matrix
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zakim, end meeting
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scribe: JF
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zakim, end this meeting
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