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13:01:33 <Joshue108> Meeting: Silver functional
13:02:12 <Joshue108> present+ John F
13:02:26 <Joshue108> present+
13:02:50 <JF> s/John F/JF
13:04:48 <JF> present+ Todd Libby
13:04:59 <JF> Present+ Jake Abma
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13:05:43 <JF> Topic: Deceptive patterns
13:05:45 <JakeAbma> present+
13:06:19 <JF> Todd to add content to document. Any progress?
13:06:26 <JF> Todd: needs edit accesss
13:06:38 <Joshue108> deceptive patterns doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIDFsPTrx_edyXlMf3m4pvsOTYfI3NW-x3-VV3rmDAo/edit
13:11:28 <Joshue108> jakes asks JF about personalization work
13:12:03 <Joshue108> and extracting outcomes adding to matrix
13:12:25 <JF> "Module 1" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html
13:13:10 <Joshue108> could we get this on agenda for next couple of weeks?
13:13:15 <Joshue108> jf: sure
13:13:28 <Joshue108> <john gives overview of work>
13:14:13 <Joshue108> JA: This would be a good exercise for this group
13:14:27 <Joshue108> To see what has the right fit
13:14:54 <Joshue108> JA: I think a large part of the future of a11y is in the area of customization and personalization
13:15:42 <Joshue108> JS: I'm having a problem with some SC's being a part of operable
13:16:17 <Joshue108> Where does customisation/personalisation fit?
13:16:17 <JF> "Module 2" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/help/index.html
13:16:31 <Joshue108> JF: Isn't sure what Jake is asking.
13:16:35 <JF> "Module 3" - https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/help/index.html
13:16:36 <Joshue108> JOC: I know what Jake is saying..
13:17:03 <Joshue108> JOC: There is a bunch of things which may need to be under a new Guideline IMO>
13:17:29 <Joshue108> JF: do look at the docs, there are some new attributes suggested
13:17:42 <Joshue108> Fixed values => taxonomy
13:18:15 <Joshue108> JF: A tool can take that information and do modality transformation
13:18:35 <Joshue108> The personalization spec is aimed at identifying solutions
13:18:58 <Joshue108> happy to see if these problems are captured in the matrix
13:19:19 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Review of Personalization modules
13:19:33 <Joshue108> JF: Discusses this module 1 doc https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html
13:20:17 <Joshue108> Some of this maps to the COGA principles of making things easier to find
13:21:47 <Joshue108> JA: tries to figure out relationship between user need and functional need in this context
13:22:53 <Joshue108> Solutions may be action attributes with certain values
13:23:12 <Joshue108> ARIA or personalization documents for example
13:23:40 <Joshue108> need to work out placing..
13:23:48 <JF> <button data-action="undo">Revert</button>, <button data-action="undo">Scrap that</button>, <button data-action="undo">Go Back 1 step</button>
13:23:52 <Joshue108> i'd like to have clear outcomes
13:24:19 <Joshue108> jf: shoes personalization example and discusses
13:25:40 <Joshue108> JOC: that seems like an unrealistic example - especially where you have <button data-action="undo">Revert</button>
13:26:07 <Joshue108> Maybe if it was <SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON data-action="undo">Revert</SOME DIV THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON> - that would be better?
13:26:45 <JF> <button data-action="undo">Gobbledy-gook</button>
13:27:27 <JakeAbma> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
13:27:34 <JakeAbma> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist.html
13:28:06 <Joshue108> <button div data-action="undo">Revert</button div >, <button div data-action="revert_the_undo_">Scrap that</button div >.... i dont know what the last one is for..
13:29:42 <Joshue108> Joc: so can JF do a review of our matrix in the light of what is in personalization spec?
13:29:48 <Joshue108> JA: yeah
13:31:34 <Joshue108> JOC: So you are talking about a reserved keyword taxonomy that does stuff machine understand?
13:31:37 <Joshue108> JF: Yup
13:32:42 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:32:43 <JF> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Requirements
13:35:18 <Joshue108> JOC: This doc is useful, as there is an interesting heading structure here that reflects a nice list of 'features' for personalization that could be useful for our matrix
13:37:37 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:53:02 <JF> zakim, end meeting
13:53:13 <JF> scribe: JF
13:53:20 <JF> zakim, end this meeting
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13:55:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items