<Joshue108_> rrsagend, start meeting
Short-term Task Force priorities.
<Joshue108_> JW: Lets discuss priorities
<Joshue108_> FPWD of CAPTCHA is a priority, we can discuss details later
<Joshue108_> Then Media Sync, Remote meetings and NAUR
<Joshue108_> What can we achieve by the end of the year
<Joshue108_> JS: I like that order
<Joshue108_> If we can get CAPTCHA done by the end of the year then thats good.
<Joshue108_> We may not update other working drafts this year - we have only 3 meetings left this year
<Joshue108_> 22nd and 29th off, then back on Jan 5th
<Joshue108_> JW: Sound good?
<Joshue108_> SN: Good for me
<Joshue108_> <egg nog anyone?>
<Joshue108_> JW: We will work as we go
<Joshue108_> JS: COGA is looking at NAUR and A11y of remote meetings
<Joshue108_> In a Goggle doc - they will have to go into Github issues
<Joshue108_> RK: Three things - about meetings.
<Joshue108_> I want to check Judy got interpreter co-ord
<Joshue108_> RK: I've emailed Judy about this.
<Joshue108_> Also we need Judy for MIT engineer disucssion on flash mitigation
Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
<SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Progress has been made on planning to address SAUR issues
<Joshue108_> SN: I looked at all the issues in Github - most are minor changes of wording
<Joshue108_> One comment is from the co-author of one of the studies
<Joshue108_> He suggested a discussion between captions for deaf folks and those using other languages
<Joshue108_> He suggested there are different issues - looking into it
<Joshue108_> This is useful as long as it informs the discussion on synchronisation
<Joshue108_> He is suggesting there are related issues.
<Joshue108_> RK: Accessibility is dependent on the audience, when there are first and second language translation / considerations
<Joshue108_> Syncing can be a sticky issue - for natural language captioning guidance, in the US for TV - for kids, they try to keep the word count low < 150 per minute
<Joshue108_> Content is often summarised. Is this a part of the discussion?
<Joshue108_> SN: There are similar constrains when something comes too quickly for the user. I'll have to research these studies, to see what to include.
<Joshue108_> JW: Notes, the disagreements in the literature - various arguments, situations and considerations
<Zakim> janina_, you wanted to ask about time scale modification
<Joshue108_> JS: I'm glad we are having this conversation - I want to note there is another tool in the HTML5 spec, timescale modification
<Joshue108_> Feature in audio books, could be used in video.
<Joshue108_> <Gives example>
<Joshue108_> JW: Notes, tighter synchronisation can be provided.
<Joshue108_> JS: And the caption would stay on screen longer when playback is slowed
<Joshue108_> JW: Is that helpful Steve?
<Joshue108_> SN: Yes
<Joshue108_> SN: I'd like to be able to assign things.
<Joshue108_> JS: Will look into that.
<Joshue108_> <Discussion of accounts a la W3C etc>
<Joshue108_> JW: Docs will be separated into diff repos.
<Joshue108_> JW: Work is going well.
<Joshue108_> JW: We can take it up next week
Accessibility of remote Meetings.
<Joshue108_> JW: Notes, Scott is leading this and was to update us, I'll summarise
<Joshue108_> We have issues in the issue tracker - several come from the break out session at TPAC. I've moved them in, commented etc
<Joshue108_> Those changes need to be approved for merging.
<Joshue108_> I'd like to see more review and confirmation on merging etc
<Joshue108_> We can keep working on them - discuss.
<Joshue108_> JOC: Are you looking for further discussion or just to have them merged?
<Joshue108_> JW: There are some categories, I would like review of some of the proposed changes etc
<Joshue108_> Some dont have solutions - and will need further comments and discussion.
<Joshue108_> JW: Comments? Or put it on the agenda for next week?
<Joshue108_> I'll let Scott know that we should just continue working on them
<Joshue108_> JS: COGA are discussing tomorrow so we will get comments
Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
<Joshue108_> JW: This is NAUR
<Joshue108_> The main development here, is that there was a presentation from researchers from the MITRE corp - who published on chatbot a11y
<Joshue108_> This included spoken interfaces, they have useful literature - their paper summarises their findings and aspects of natural language a11y that are difficult to address
<Joshue108_> Useful appendix to the paper - so which issues should we take up and address?
<Joshue108_> JW: I've commented on GH that we are not trying to capture all the issues suggested but we are trying to provide a more thought thru analysis
<Joshue108_> That will inform further development
<Joshue108_> We are trying to distill, and arrive at conclusions
<Joshue108_> JW: You will need access to the journal - so how do we want to respond to the issues?
<Joshue108_> JOC: I dont have access to this library
<Joshue108_> JW: It is a long list of items - we need several people looking them
<Joshue108_> JS: Scott and Raja may have access - maybe Steve.
<Joshue108_> JOC: Between Scott, Raja and Jason - that's a good gang to have a look and feedback
<Joshue108_> RK: I can share.
<Joshue108_> JOC: Thanks Raja!
<Joshue108_> JS: I'll have a look and see if there is a hosted version.
<Joshue108_> <Discussion on papers>
<Joshue108_> JOC: That would be great.
<Joshue108_> JW: I've not noted comments at all on this.
<Joshue108_> JS: There will be from COGA
<Joshue108_> JW: Lets see how we go, final comments?
Revision of CAPTCHA Note.
<Joshue108_> JS: <Gives overview>
<Joshue108_> JS: We have this note from 2019..
<Joshue108_> but jason has done great work, and some new specific tech approaches from Cloudflare - and references to other specs
<Joshue108_> Refs to the economic impact
<Joshue108_> So if RQTF and APA agree, we suggest we publish the editors draft as the FPWD
<Joshue108_> We have some time as we need to work out messaging
<Joshue108_> The last chance to publish is 16th Dec
<Joshue108_> We could even make it by next week
<Joshue108_> We should move to using the additions that Jason created, unless there is any disagreement
<Joshue108_> This group is the first point of contact
<Joshue108_> JW: You want to move the para on economic consequences, but that doesn't have to hold up the draft
<Joshue108_> JS: Am keen to publish a FPWD
<Joshue108_> JW: Suggestions on where it should be would be welcome
<Joshue108_> JS: WFM - as long as the group is ok with these additions, going to to FPWD with changes as an update note
<Joshue108_> JW: <gives overview>
<Joshue108_> 2 substantial changes - anyone uncomfortable with proceeding with these changes?
RESOLUTION: RQTF recommends going to FPWD based on the editors draft https://
<Joshue108_> JS: Its great that we are saying you can use W3C tech to not use CAPTCHA anymore.
jgw: Influences what we tell the public--but let's put it into our messaging once APA determines the course
jgw: Summarizes the CfC, noting the only proposed change is incorporation of the two noted edits
<Joshue_108> JS: I'm hoping we can base this on what we did before.
<Joshue_108> JB: Discussion on availability for Shawn
<Joshue_108> JS: I can give her a heads up -
<Joshue_108> JB: Please give a few days lead time
<Joshue_108> JS: We can base it on what we said in the past
<Joshue_108> JS: We have a proposal to use W3C tech so that is the big message
<Joshue_108> JW: The Cloudflare proposal is very interesting
<Joshue_108> We are interested in new developments
<Joshue_108> We want to open it up
<Joshue_108> JS: We need to decide - open for comments until end of Jan
<Joshue_108> JW: Yes, we may have another draft in Feb
<Joshue_108> JW: That ok for all?
<Joshue_108> JS: 28th or so, but we need wide publicity with this draft - that we can kill CAPTCHA
<Joshue_108> JW: WebAuth will need to be involved.
<Joshue_108> JOC: Asks what is needed?
<Joshue_108> JS: Happy for you to do that - we can look at previous messaging and blog posts etc
<Joshue_108> JW: That would be helpful
<Joshue_108> JS: We will need to talk about teh new W3C statement
<Joshue_108> JOC: Lets start a round robin on this
<Joshue_108> JW: Folloing on from APA call - we will know what is happening
<Joshue_108> We can then take a cut from the mail branch
<Joshue_108> JS: I'll update RQTF after APA call.
<Joshue_108> JW: Flash mitigation discussion - any update?
<Joshue_108> JB: I've spoken with Boris Katz on this, some schedule checking happening
<Joshue_108> JW: We are planning to not meet in last two weeks in Dec - so it will be either first 3 weeks of Dec or early next year.
<Joshue_108> JB: I'll let them know.
<Joshue_108> JB: Who here has read the research report?
<Joshue_108> What are we hoping for?
<Joshue_108> JW: I've read it
<Joshue_108> <Gives overview>
<Joshue_108> JW: Comments?
<Joshue_108> JS: Do we believe this is an OS thing, or does it need some RFC 2119 language etc