W3C

WoT Architecture

04 November 2021

Attendees

Present
Ben_Francis, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
-
Chair
Lagally
Scribe
kaz

Meeting minutes

Agenda

Lagally: 2 topics for today
… next week agenda is also available
… we don't a lot of time
… (goes through the agenda)

Ben: question about timeline

Lagally: consensus we won't make any normative changes after mid Nov

Ben: ok
… don't think WoT Profile is stable enough...

Lagally: in that case, we should clarify the main concerns
… and bring them to the Editors call and the Chairs

updated publication plan

Ege: would like to talk about assertion review issue

Lagally: anything else?

(none)

Minutes

Sep-23

(approved)

<mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-10-online-f2f

Oct-27 (vF2F day 4)

Lagally: (goes through the minutes)
… anything needs to be changed?
… can approve the Arch/Profile sections?

(no objections)

(approved)

Architecture

PR 615

Address Binding Templates related issues #615

Ege: for alignment with the Binding Templates doc
… the text on security should be put under section 8
… don't want the Arch spec to have the security detail for Binding

Lagally: where should it be described then?

Ege: think should be included in the Binding Templates doc
… not the Binding Templates section of the Architecture spec
… note that the Binding Templates document is about not only Protocol Binding but Binding in general

Lagally: would be fine to move the description itself
… but would like to check with McCool

Kaz: think this PR is too big
… would be better to split this into 3-4 smaller PRs for easier review

Lagally: agree smaller PRs are better
… but can still review this PR 615
… we need some more time for review and need to conclude next week, though

Kaz: ok

Lagally: once we get McCool's feedback for the security part, I'll be OK

PR 631

precedence rule for terminology #631

Lagally: terminology

diff

[[

In case of a conflict of a definition with terminology used in another WoT document, the definition of the WoT Architecture takes precedence.

]]

Kaz: fine
… but we need to check the inconsistency among specs

Ben: don't think adding this note would be really good
… should check the inconsistency among specs

Lagally: we'll definitely check the inconsistency

(with the condition, we'll merge the PR)

(merged)

PR 624

preparing implementation report #624

Lagally: implementation report preparation

Kaz: is this a different tool to extract assertions from McCool's one?

Lagally: copied the tool for Discovery

Kaz: so the same one?
… probably the same tool
… but should ask McCool for clarification about where to put the resulted CSV and the format of the CSV file
… we can merge this PR itself and then check with McCool later, though

Lagally: would merge this PR itself

(merged)

Issue 625

Assertion review #625

Ege: some of the assertions are not really correct
… mis-alignment with TD

Lagally: a couple of normative portions included here

Lagally: need more time to look into this issue
… would suggest we handle this offline

Ben: a couple of points
… Mozilla made a Formal Objection to make the Architecture document a normative spec
… all the normative portions should be defined by the other specs like TD
… these normative assertions would cause confusion

Ege: agree
… still mis-alignment with the other specs

Lagally: ok
… anyway I need more time for review

Kaz: agree consistency among specs is very important
… that's why I'm asking all the Editors to check the consistency among specs
… and see which description to be included in which spec
… some of the assertions here might to to another spec
… also again, I'd suggest we split this issue 625 into several smaller issues about Architecture and TD, Architecture and Discovery, Architecture and Binding Tempaltes, etc.

Ege: agree

Lagally: would like to ping the related Editors here (McCool, Sebastian, Ryuichi, Ege and Lagally)
… and have discussion during the Editors call next week as well

Profile

Lagally: also another issue on the timeline for Profile
… would think about that as well
… (creates Issue 110)

Blocker for publication #110

Ben: was concerned about the updated timeline

updated timeline

Kaz: we need to clarify what we want and what we can do during this Charter period
… and then think about how to deal with them
… and then think about how/when to publish the spec document for this Charter period

Lagally: would like to send an email about this problem

AOB

mizushima: wondering about the results of the doodle on the possible next slot

doodle poll

Kaz: no good slot in the end...

Ege: will be more flexible

Ben: any chance to make the meeting one hour?
… or splitting the call into two separate calls, one for Architecture and another for Profile

Lagally: let me think

Kaz: what about the next call?
… on Nov. 11 right?

Lagally: yes

Kaz: one hour or two hours?

Lagally: next call on Nov 11 will be two hours
… may need to shorten the call to one hour on Nov. 18, though.

[adjourned]

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