Meeting minutes
Discussion
Kaz: Here is the Workshop page. Here is the summary report.
<kaz> workshop report
Kaz: There is an IG Charter that is in draft status.
<kaz> draft IG Charter
Kaz: The yellow parts are update from the Workshop Report.
… The main purpose of this breakout is to review this charter to see if it's OK.
… Any questions or comments.
Mike McCool: One thing I'm wondering is relationship to Smart Buildings.
… Tied to geolocation things like location of pipes.
… So this is a subset.
Kaz: I think Smart Buildings is one use case.
MikeMc: I think we want to make sure we're not excluding Smart Buildings.
Kaz: A lot of this is copied from the Wkshp report.
… The main part is based on feedback from the Workshop and the many stakeholders.
… How do we improve this Charter is the question.
[Kaz reviews Scope section]
[Kaz discusses dependencies / relationships]
<Zakim> eric, you wanted to react to a previous speaker
EricS: I've shared my input with you, we need the support of implementers, the cities or authorities, to get them involved to help set prioritization.
… My fear is we're defining the scope before we get that.
… It's highly regulated which works to our advantage.
… If we can get Singapore, Japan and China on board we'll get momementum.
… The authority tends to be more centralized there which would help.
… Let's make sure this IG enrolls the support of the Authorities and Cities.
… Otherwise we'll be adding more confusion vs. clarity.
Kaz: Good point. This is very important.
+1 Eric
[discuss emphasis on this]
Kaz: For example the Japanese gov't has just started this work.
Eric: I know Murai-sensi would be supportive of this approach.
Kaz: that is important and somewhat imcremental but needs to be major.
<kaz> During the group discussion, we'll continue to work on outreach to clarify the primary stakeholders from the industries, countries/cities and communities to involve in the group's work.
<Zakim> lisa, you wanted to react to eric
LisaS: I see that you have a bullet point re: accessibility which is good.
… On the last bullet point there are many different groups, we need to work with a more broader set of them.
… People could become invisible if we don't look for who isn't there in our datasets.
… We need to be making decisions so it's more important that we pay attention to what's missing.
… Looking at a subgroup level is potentially ignoring this.
… Let's not increase the problem, let's work to make it better and easier.
Kaz: During the Workshop accessibility was important so I added things about inclusive design, etc.
LisaS: The applications are really accessible for screen readers but they are very wordy with instructions, but the search for the missing people is important.
Kaz: Regarding this we should tried to make the points but we should work on it more.
… For the Charter text itself, should we expand on the text?
Wendy: What I hear is Lisa mentioning is explicitly who's missing from our datasets so that would be the point to make.
LisaS: Specifically those with cognative and learning issues.
Wendy: I noted you jumped right into analysis of the draft Charter.
… Since this is a breakout session where folks may not of seen the previous work I'd encourage folks to look at the links.
… Perhaps we want to hear from people who are newer to this work.
… Scanning the proposed work, where are the areas W3C and Web Standards can help.
<dom> 4. Constructable Stylesheets & adoptedStyleSheets
Kaz: There are so many concepts and implementations, they have different scopes and challenges.
… So we want to see where Web Technologies can help.
scrive+
Kaz: Also listed expected participants
[enumerates list]
Kaz: Three separate sessions to accommodate time zones
… feedback and great suggestions
… identify stakeholders
… feedback for IG as well
… liaison with other standards orgs
… related groups in W3C
… global organizations (e.g. WEF)
… updated proposed charter
… that's the history
… ask all for opinions and suggestions
Jeff: Does anyone have concrete ideas on Eric's comments to grow the set of stakeholders?
Kaz: Yes, let's discuss that
… supercity should be included as well
… wondering about other countries
Eric: We have relationship with Singapore
… some say they are leading
… should add Japan and Chinese colleagues
… maybe schedule a smaller group meetng
… strategize; create a plan
… if you have China, Japan, and Singapore - the rest of the Asian countries will follow
… "fear of missing out"
Kaz: Thank you very much.
… need to add China focus
… other thoughts?
… US or Europe?
Hirata-san: Korea has some examples
… Busan Smart City project; some others
… national project
Kaz: Good suggestion
Eric: Good suggestion Hirata-san
Xueyuan: Agree with Eric to have smaller meeting; including stakeholders from China, Singapore, Japan
… I'll forward the invitation to stakeholders in China
Kaz: Should we ask Midea about their impressions?
Xueyuan: Does Hualiang want to talk?
Hualiang: I will check the link
Kaz: You are interested in this topic?
Hualiang: Yes
Kaz: We will involve you; definitely.
Rob: OGC has some activity
… did you make contact with them?
Kaz: They already participated well in workshop
… great input
Rob: Thanks
Kaz: Let's revisit Michael's point about Smart Buildings
Michael: Business information systems is a big thing.
… e.g. library is both a Smart-City item, but also a Smart building standard
… not sure what to include, but we need a placeholder.
Kaz: We should add it to the list of tasks
Michael: Agreed.
Kaz: such as in Singapore
… also W3C's WoT is already being used for building management in Japan
Michael: Also Geospatial standards are important. But requirements are different: VR, land management,
… need to ferret out different standards
… need latitude and longitude before we enter; room number after we entire.
… OGC is already looking at coordinate systems v layout
… what about energy management?
… so we need a placeholder
… can be done in the IG
Kaz: We should list application areas
Michael: Can coordinate with building data CG
… for distributed energy there are known use cases
… sustainability is a key issue
Eric: If we don't get the right regulators to hear where they care
… we can wander into all sorts of areas
… Smart Cities is wide and diverse
… so we need input and support
Michael: I support that
… we can speculate about many topics
… but what is key?
… what fits with W3C?
… we need to bootstrap by working with some cities.
… Japan organization will prioritize for Japan
Kaz: Specifically the Ministry for Digital Technologies
Eric: which Murai-sensei set up
Kaz: been discussing with Jun
… should clarify our starting point
… Ota-san - any ideas?
Ota-san: Smart Cities is very big
… contains many domains
… need overview document
… what is included
… what is in scope
… many people can work on it
Kaz: Really important
Wrap-up
Kaz: We reviewed the workshop
… great advice about next steps
… look at important stakeholders
… small team of Asian stakeholders
… involve more countries later
… need to update IG charter based on feedback.
… Second session later this week
… (Thursday)
[adjourned]