Meeting minutes
<tzviya> Date: 2021-10-15
tzviya: we can get started
liisamk: what about the meeting on the 27th?
tzviya: that's on the agenda
EPUBcheck status
tzviya: we'll have an alpha release roughly the same time as EPUB 3.3 CR
… won't replace existing version
… then a beta based on initial feedback
… then a RC depending on Romain's availability
ivan: can we give Romain a few minutes in the F2F meeting?
wendyreid: yes
ivan: we need him on the friday session
… Apple has joined the EPUB 3 WG on Wednesday
… four people, including Tess
… two were on the call last night
… can we ask them to sponsor epubcheck?
George: they put in $20k previously
ivan: I didn't realize
George: we provided feedback to them on their implementation of DPUB-ARIA
… and they responded
… and we provided feedback to google, apple, and to the screenreader companies
dauwhe: the lead apple person (Vicky) works on the export from Pages to EPUB
ivan: we have to get Amazon to complete the picture
epub next meeting
tzviya: liisa asks how we'll run this
… we've invited WG, CG, BG
… Karen and Bill have been reaching out
… I've spoken to people
… making it more publicly open
… I want to model this on how Markus started a new WG
… here's where we are
… here's what we've accomplished
… give me your ideas
… not quite a whiteboarding thing but...
… talk about what's worked and hasn't worked
… we won't talk about why things might not work
… and we don't want to get too deep in details
… we're not talking about interop
… does that make sense?
… there's a lot of work done with the locators TF
… that area is obvious for us to build off of
… there's FXL A11Y TF stuff too
liisamk: I like the idea of going back to where we were with the survey
… and taking the pulse
… have things shifted since then? Are there things we haven't addressed?
<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on interop
Ralph: good reminder, Liisa, that we have those results
… if there's a lull we can mention the survey
… Tzviya, since you said you didn't want to talk about interop, I think that's correct
… but we've been focusing on interop in EPUB3 WG
… and we hope there's progress through testing, etc
ivan: for the scope of the discussion
… are we talking epub next, or digital publishing next?
… how far for new features in epub
… or do we want to be open to a disucssion that goes beyond that
… and groups that don't use epub?
… we have to put boundaries on discussion
… how do we make that clear
tzviya: great Q
… we can't put boundaries in before the call
… in education people are moving away from strictly epub; the package doesn't matter
… but in the world of trade it's different; EPUB will stay more like it is
… they might diverge
ivan: we frame this on the invitation as EPUB.next
… to make it clear from the beginning, if it leads to other things in other areas, that's OK
tzviya: most people won't be imagining strict boundaries
Ralph: +1 to most of what you said
… people might raise DRM question, we need to have an answer
… I hope that people who want more out of ebooks than epub has, I hope they come to the meeting
… I hope we will hear the broader context
… I think the question of what is the scope of the next WG , we'll here from the BG about the name... is it EPUB 4?
George: scope needs to be wide open: reading and learning and how it happens in the future
… so that it works for everyone
… we haven't been testing in LMSs
<Ralph> how big a step is the industry interested in for the next iteration of our ebook work?
ivan: towards the end of the meeting, the Q will come up: what's next?
… it would be good to have some idea on what to do
… if we want to have continuation work
… the EPUB WG charter ends in 2023... chartering takes 6 months...
at the end of winter/early spring we should have a good idea of a new charter
… how do we do that?
wendyreid: how we manage the taking down of ideas
… we should have a scribe
ivan: a good scribe
wendyreid: one or two people responsible for whiteboarding
… using products like mural and figma
… people make sticky notes on a board
… people can add notes etc
<Ralph> [I think Wendy was refering to https://
ivan: this sounds good
tzviya: we need to create issues from the whiteboarding tool
<Ralph> [... or Mural https://
tzviya: it has to be more than IRC
… what do we do at the end?
… we can tell people to join the CG
… and some of these convos can go to the BG
… generate a list for actions for both groups
… we have Rick in BG now to provide more of an educational perspective
<Ralph> Tzviya: "does this idea have legs to stand on [for the businesses]?"
ivan: on a practical level
… it's better to have a separate repo for these issues
Ralph: the combination of the ideas--a separate repo for .next, but it's owned by the CG--that's not inconsistent
tzviya: we can leave that to the CG chairs
Ralph: I'm hoping there's an accessible whiteboarding tool
… is a google doc good enough?
… as more people already know how to use it?
ivan: big problem with GDOc is China
tzviya: we could use etherpad
Ralph: that would probably work
… do the chairs want lots of people to be able to scribble?
tzviya: I'm fine with etherpad
<Ralph> +1 to etherpad
wendyreid: we need somewhere for people to write down ideas, whatever it is
George: as long as ideas are recorded and voiced
ivan: how does etherpad work for you?
<liisamk> https://
tzviya: it's a predecessor to gdocs
… I'll check with Avneesh
tzviya: now we need people to attend
<Ralph> [W3C runs an etherpad server, so we have the bits]
tzviya: if it's ok with Avneesh I'll set up etherpad
… do we need irc too?
ivan: having two is confusing
Ralph: you woulnd't take the usuaal minutes
ivan: we should have IRC for queue
tzviya: we can use zoom
Ralph: what I imagined the whiteboard as a post-it sort of thing
George: it's hard to know what's happening in a GDoc with simultaneous edits
(is going to stop minuting discussions of technology)
tzviya: we have a game plan
… any other business?
http://
tzviya: anything else?
… thanks everyone
<ivan> THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT!!!!
<ivan> no I did