W3C

Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference

13 October 2021

Attendees

Present
atiq, ben, caspar, jeremy, jo, laura, markB, Marthe, michelle, rosalind_mason, trisha
Regrets
-
Chair
jo
Scribe
jo

Meeting minutes

Admin

Minutes of last meeting: https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes

<ben> Minutes: https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes

Jo: published working draft ben?

ben: almost, waiting for W3C to come back

Action: ben to check he carried out the action from previous meeting

move on from IRC

Caspar: otterAI - autotranscription service - integrates with Zoom

ben: does it work live and can you edit afterwards?

caspar: think it's live

Action: Caspar to figure out a PoC of OtterAI

LinkedIn Group

MarkB: we want to announce the spec that we will publish
… we create a LinkedIn group
… which I already did
… we can then make a post and everyone can link to it in their own profiles
… does this seem like a good idea, should I send out invites?
… how do we agree the content of the announcement
… q1 linkedin gorup make sense?

Resolution: Thanks to Markb for setting up Linked in Group please proceed with invitations

mark: I'll invite everyone, if you don't get an invite then please let me know

Action: Mark to circulate copy by w3c group email list

Minutes of last meeting

Resolution: Accept minutes of last meeting

Musical Chairs

Jo: I will step down at the conclusion of the meeting
… michelle has kindly agreed to step forward, we need to agree her becoming chair

Resolution: Group agrees that Michelle will make a wonderful chair and thanks her for stepping forward

Resolution: Noting Jo stepping down as chair, Group thanks Jo for his efforts

WIFIC in one year

ben: just want to scoot through them all, and so set direction, rather than a detailed discussion of the issues
… Laura said we should target WIFIC in a year's time to do a major demo
… we could throw in a straw man to guide discussions
… FIs are building internal market places and automated rights management is a solution for some of the challenges they need to overcome
… so target is "Full end-to-end automation of rights over a cloud based internal market place"
… comments?

markB: this is someone where you are an internal employee, I browse the content, answer a questionnaire etc and get a yes/no

ben: yes, that's the kind of thing - want many different viewpoints on this as a solution, exchange, vendor etc...

markB: if it stops people using data they are not licensed for and helps them get a license, then any content producer would be in favour
… how would they contribute to that discussion

michelle: I can imagine this from the consumer perspective, less involved in cloud personally, people very interested in being able to query
… data sets may be broader than just an exchange contract

ben: should we start including things like alternative data?

michelle: think it all falls under the broader category of market data

markb: have heard people say ODRL is an exchange thing, so would be good to expand their minds

michelle: think we need to tackle the whole of market data

trisha: end to end entitlements for exchanges is good, think alternative data is a good way to go, but how would you define it?

ben: we have a year to define it

laura: what's key is to show the communication, demo the end to end process with all these stakeholders then that is a representative ecosystem
… showing how it work, but applicable across a lot of environments

jo: I recommend that taking on other areas would be taking on too much
… suggest that the group stick to getting what it has working

michelle: picking up on the use of the work permissioning, we can't enforce

ben: some parts of enforcement may be in scope in the next year
… there is a spectrum of people from completely compliant through to those that deliberately break the rules
… in the large area between we can enforce and automate the enforcement
… but we are not digital rights management, in that the compliance needs to be voluntary

laura: we need to be clear what we mean, when I hear entitlements I hear enforcement
… need to be clear about systematically enforcing the block

caspar: I think we can have both advisory and enforcement

laura: individual firm could decide which way they want to go with it

caspar: want ability to query data catalogue for example

jo: how is the question of whether extending into alternative data is a good idea or not

ben: should we do just one? just to show it can be done?
… FISD wrote guidance and templates for alternative data
… wonder if anyone has looked at that
… Marthe do you have any patterns in the licensing from vendors coming on to Amazon Data Exchange

Action: Marthe to report whether she has found any useful patterns by next meeting

Action: Ben to circulate - Laura and Michelle to look at FISD template

Action: Ben to reach out to Elizabeth Pritchard to see what adoption there is

Modelling Best Practices

Ben: e.g. payment - must have and may haves ...
… for each of the key duties, how to model these
… and explain to people how we model these duties
… also for example, derived data

jo: suggest use of "pattern"
… it is a pattern book

ben: include some validation code etc.

markb: have a break out session to work out where to store and do a pattern
… then everyone to go away and implement one

laura: parties using this would be providers and consumers

ben: also software implementors

caspar: there are some design patterns for ontologies, incredibly valuable

Action: Mark to organise a break out session to discuss - in 2 weeks from today

Reference Architecture

ben: there have been requests to describe the implementation of the standard in terms of e.g. policy store and so on
… instrumentation and enforcement too, what would the architecture look like
… need to make sure that interoperability is possible

Action: Caspar to write a note starting the discussion of what Reference Architecture means

Formalising ODRL and Temporal Model

ben: noting that the ODRL community group is addressing these topics, ppl should email me if they want to join those discussions

michelle: would it matter if they went off in a different direction

ben: yes, but we are influential. Academic discussions at the moment

AOB

--- meeting closed ---

Summary of action items

  1. ben to check he carried out the action from previous meeting
  2. Caspar to figure out a PoC of OtterAI
  3. Mark to circulate copy by w3c group email list
  4. Marthe to report whether she has found any useful patterns by next meeting
  5. Ben to circulate - Laura and Michelle to look at FISD template
  6. Ben to reach out to Elizabeth Pritchard to see what adoption there is
  7. Mark to organise a break out session to discuss - in 2 weeks from today
  8. Caspar to write a note starting the discussion of what Reference Architecture means

Summary of resolutions

  1. Thanks to Markb for setting up Linked in Group please proceed with invitations
  2. Accept minutes of last meeting
  3. Group agrees that Michelle will make a wonderful chair and thanks her for stepping forward
  4. Noting Jo stepping down as chair, Group thanks Jo for his efforts
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