14:56:11 RRSAgent has joined #md-odrl-profile 14:56:11 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/10/13-md-odrl-profile-irc 14:56:13 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:56:14 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jo_ 14:58:20 Meeting: Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference 14:58:25 chair: jo 15:04:35 present: jo, ben, markB, rosalind_mason, trisha, marte, caspar, laura, atiq 15:05:37 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:06:34 Topic: Admin 15:07:16 Minutes of last meeting: https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes 15:07:23 scribe: jo 15:08:22 Minutes: https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes 15:08:31 Jo: published working draft ben? 15:08:40 ben: almost, waiting for W3C to come back 15:08:47 Caspar_MacRae has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:09:20 ACTION: ben to check he carried out the action from previous meeting 15:09:36 Topic: move on from IRC 15:10:20 Caspar: otterAI - autotranscription service - integrates with Zoom 15:10:37 ben: does it work live and can you edit afterwards? 15:10:47 caspar: think it's live 15:11:39 ACTION: Caspar to figure out a PoC of OtterAI 15:12:16 present+ jeremy 15:12:53 Topic: LinkedIn Group 15:13:24 MarkB: we want to announce the spec that we will publish 15:13:37 ... we create a LinkedIn group 15:13:44 ... which I already did 15:14:03 we can then make a post and everyone can link to it in their own profiles 15:14:11 s/we/... we/ 15:14:26 ... does this seem like a good idea, should I send out invites? 15:14:42 ... how do we agree the content of the announcmene 15:14:56 ... q1 linkedin gorup make sense? 15:16:13 RESOLUTION: Thanks to Markb for setting up Linked in Group please proceed with invitations 15:18:15 mark: I'll invite everyone, if you don't get an invite then please let me know 15:19:21 ACTION: Mark to circulate copy by w3c group email list 15:19:31 TopIC: Minutes of last meeting 15:19:49 RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of last meeting 15:20:16 present+ michelle 15:20:40 Topic: Musical Chairs 15:23:43 Jo: I will step down at the conclusion of the meeting 15:24:37 MichelleR has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:24:37 ... michelle has kindly agreed to step forward, we need to agree her becoming chair 15:25:09 RESOLUTION: Group agrees that Michelle will make a wonderful chair and thanks her for stepping forward 15:25:28 RESOLUTION: Group thanks Jo for his efforts 15:26:29 Topic: Remainder of agenda items 15:27:04 ben: just want to scoot through them all, and so set direction, rather than a detailed discussion of the issues 15:27:36 ... Laura said we should target WIFIC in a year's time to do a major demo 15:27:54 ... we could throw in a straw man to guide discussions 15:28:27 ... FIs are building internal market places and automated rights management is a solution for some of the challenges they need to overcome 15:29:02 ... so target is "Full end-to-end automation of rights over a cloud based internal market place" 15:29:10 ... coments? 15:30:08 markB: this is someone where you are an internal employee, I browse the content, answer a questionnaire etc and get a yes/no 15:30:50 ben: yes, that's the kind of thing - want many different viewpoints on this as a solution, exchange, vendor etc... 15:31:21 markB: if it stops people using data they are not licensed for and helps them get a license, then any content producer would be in favour 15:31:34 ... how would they contribute to that discussion 15:32:20 michelle: I can imagine this from the consumer perspective, less involved in cloud personally, people very interested in being able to query 15:32:59 ... data sets may be broader than just an exchange contract 15:33:12 ben: should we start including things like alternative data? 15:33:54 michelle: think it all fall under the broader category of market data 15:34:21 markb: have heard people say ODRL is an exchange things, so would be good to expand their minds 15:34:52 michelle: think we need to tackle the whole of market data 15:36:20 trisha: end to end entitlements for exchanges is good, think alternative data is a good way to go, but how would you define it? 15:36:31 ben: we have a year to define it 15:37:27 laura: what's key is to show the communication, demo the ned to end process with all these stakeholders then that is a representative ecosystem 15:37:46 ... showing how it work, but applicable across a lot of environments 15:39:40 jo: I recommend that taking on other aereas would be taking on too much 15:39:55 .... sugest that the group stick to getting what it has working 15:40:08 s/sugest/suggest/ 15:40:40 michelle: picking up on the use of the work permissioning, we can't enforce 15:40:56 ben: some parts of enforcement may be in scope in the next year 15:41:29 ... there is a spectrum of people from completely compliant through to those that deliberately break the rules 15:41:55 ... in the large area between we can enforce and automate the enforcement 15:42:15 ... but we are not didigtal rights management, in that the compliance needs to be voluntary 15:42:54 laura: we need to be clear what we mean, when I hear entitlements I hear enforcement 15:43:25 ... need to be clear about systematically enforcing the bloack 15:43:52 caspar: I think we cab have both advisory and enforcement 15:43:59 s/cab/can/ 15:44:39 laura: individual firm could decide which way they want to go with it 15:45:03 caspar: want ability to query data catalogue for example 15:46:00 jo: how is the question of whether extending into alternative data is a good idea or not 15:46:15 ben: should we do just one? just to show it can be done? 15:46:33 ... FISD wrote guidance and templates for alternative data 15:46:49 ... wonder if anyone has looked at that 15:47:41 ...Marthe do you have any patterns in the licensing from vendors coming on to Amazon Data Exchange 15:48:24 ACTION: Marte to report whether she has found any useful patterns by next meeting 15:49:13 ACTION: Ben to circulate - Laura and Michelle to look at FISD template 15:49:54 ACTION: Ben to reach out to Elizabeth Pritchard to see what adoption there is 15:50:16 s/marte/Marthe/ 15:50:25 Topic: Modelling Best Practices 15:50:54 Ben: e.g. payment - must have and may haves ... 15:51:14 ... for each of the key duties, how to model these 15:51:30 ... and explain to people how we model these duties 15:51:39 ... also for example, derived data 15:52:13 jo: suggest use of "pattern" 15:52:20 ... it is a pattern book 15:52:32 ben: include some validation code tec. 15:52:50 s/tec./etc. 15:53:13 markb: have a break out session to work out where to store and do a pattern 15:53:23 ... then everyone to go away and implement one 15:53:54 laura: parties using this would be providers and consumers 15:54:07 ben: also software implementors 15:54:55 caspar: there are some design patterns for ontologies, incredibly valuabe 15:55:30 ACTION: Mark to organise a break out session to discuss - in 2 weeks from today 15:56:20 Topic: Reference Architecture 15:56:53 ben: there have been requests to describe the implementation of the standard in terms of e.g. policy store and so on 15:57:24 ... instrumentation and enforcement too, what would the architecture look like 15:57:47 ... need to make sure that interoperability is possible 15:58:43 ACTION: Caspar to write a note starting the discussion of what Reference Architecture means 15:58:53 Topic: FOrmalising ODRL and Temporal Model 15:59:45 ben: noting that the ODRL community group is addressing these topics, ppl should email me if they want to join those discussions 15:59:59 michelle: would it matter if they went off in a different direction 16:00:12 ben: yes, but we are influential. 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