Meeting minutes
Proposal for Language of Page - Tests
WIlco: Should we reduce the number of tests?
… value in automated tests
… you can use language detection -- given there is enough text -- to determine if the language is correct
,,, should a manual tester check all the language changes?
… change of language is indicated with lang attribute
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… If the change of language is made with lang attributes, there should be no overlap because another test checks for that.
… it doesn't have to test if the change is correct, because we have already checked the language.
Wilco: it's a clean division of what needs to be tested.
… we are combinine two success criteria. We already have a number of tests for this.
… it's a large page, but my guess is that it is not going to get much bigger than this.
Jeanne: I like it spread out more. It is clear and easy to understand. Trying to boil everything down makes it harder to understand and implement.
Wilco: it makes it easier to claim exactly what you support.
Functional Needs
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Use without vision
Probably not low vision, except for screenreader use.
USe without vision and hearing
Probably not limited language, because symbol sets use a different attribute than lang
Jeanne: I think we have to be careful not to be fixing the bugs of screenreaders
Use without ability to read
Jeanne: I recommend we run the Braille question by Jason White. Jeanne will take action
Action: Jeanne to contact Jason White about Braille needs for language changes
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Defintion of "appropriate language" - generally the two-character language code. Some countries may require the subcode, such as chinese.
Wilco: We are interested in the Outcome and not how it is done
Francis: The screenreader knows the language being used -- it doesn't matter the solution, just the result.
Wilco: if screenreaders get better, then we won't need the language identification. If image detection gets better, than we won't need alt attribute.
Jeanne: Then we make a user agent method, not an author method.
Wilco: I think this Outcome doesn't tell me what is expected.
… for a lay person, this isn't informative