IRC log of personalization on 2021-08-09

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Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 09 August 2021

14:06:44 [becky]

agenga?

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agenda?

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Reminder, W3C Events Team survey due 20 August 2021 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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Lionel_Wolberger: reminder for W3C events team agenda? Any other topics?

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Lionel_Wolberger: no other topics

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- Check in with 3 TPAC meeting owners that they are on track with their agenda -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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Lionel_Wolberger: EPUB, silver, low vision - joint meeting status?

14:09:25 [becky]

janina: APA chairs reviewed the list of meetings, with have too many, will try to consolidate at APA chairs meeting

14:09:59 [becky]

janina: very important that we have clear, concise agenda since will be sharing time with other groups; need to be well prepared

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present+

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Janina: suggest waiting to assign personalization owners for specific meetings;

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Matthew_Atkinson: Both Lisa and I are involved in this epub/silver/low vision meeting

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LisaSeemanKest: overview and coga are ones I was involved with

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janina: expect coga meeting will remain - Lisa and Rain will have most control, personalization is part to address coga concerns/issues, etc

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LisaSeemanKest: coga group is confused about what this group does

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LisaSeemanKest: want to work together to get the user needs

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agenda?

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queue?

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janina: think it is okay to repeat the overview from the overview meeting with Coga; but won't have time to go into content module 2&3 in overview but important for coga

14:17:03 [Lionel_Wolberger]

https://www.w3.org/2021/07/26-personalization-minutes.html

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Lionel_Wolberger: internationalization?

14:17:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]

In the above minutes you can see the owners and outlines of the agenda(s)

14:18:24 [becky]

janina: I am responsible for working on a meeting time with internationalization; Asks Lisa if she is only person necessary to discuss AAC? Would like to have this call before TPAC

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LisaSeemanKest: Would be good to have Steve Lee.

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LisaSeemanKest: comments that we could use more of steve's expertise in this group :-)

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queue?

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janina: seems that i18n believes a meeting with us is a good idea (based on comments within the issue); I will start with this meeting time as the proposed time for a meeting.

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janina: will be in touch with Steve and Rain and i18n to schedule

14:24:22 [becky]

janina: there is actually a wiki that helps with various holidays; Lionel and Lisa will be out on Sept 7&8

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Get status from our APA chairs regarding our 3 TPAC meetings -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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Lionel_Wolberger: covered via previous agenda item

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zakim. close this item

14:25:09 [becky]

zakim, close this item

14:25:09 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

14:25:10 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Blockers to CR? Summary and review of action items (see git for Matt's comments) [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Blockers to CR? Summary and review of action items (see git for Matt's comments) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:25:39 [Lionel_Wolberger]

https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues

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Lionel_Wolberger: provides git link to actions

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Lionel_Wolberger: only 5 items showing; #144 will be covered by i18n meeting

14:26:43 [CharlesL]

q+

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Lionel_Wolberger: #128 will be kept open - personalization semantic demo from Mozilla/firefox

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CharlesL: I have reached out to author a few times; he has responded that will provide demo but nothing happens

14:28:17 [Roy]

q+

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ack CharlesL

14:28:48 [becky]

janina: perhaps not pester him too much until our 2nd CR (once we ask WHATWG for reserved prefix)

14:29:26 [CharlesL]

+1 agreed with Roy & Janina

14:29:26 [becky]

roy: agree with Janina; this issue is not a blocker for document to go to CR; This is an implementation and we will need eventually for PR

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ack me

14:31:58 [becky]

janina: cr - candidate recommendation is "world's" notice that we are getting close to being a specification and last chance for comments; CR's last for 60 days. At end of CR transistion to PR (proposed recommendation) and have to show implementation of normative requirements. Must have 2 implementations of each normative requirements. Need that before going to director; then go to Advisory Committee for vote. If it passes AC then it goes

14:31:58 [becky]

to TR (technical recommendation) 1.0; Might rev. in the future

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Lionel_Wolberger: #183 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/183, Links to origins of values for @action, @destination, @distraction

14:34:08 [JF]

Q+

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Matthew_Atkinson: We discussed this last week; This issue is asking if there is any publically available research or established research from which the list of attributes was pulled? Understand that this comes from experience of COGA; But, if there is anything would like to see that referenced.

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Matthew_Atkinson: doesn't see this as a blocker

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LisaSeemanKest: there really isn't any established papers - we did look. I believe User1st collected some data for personalization group; They sent some requests for items but we didn't incorporate them.

14:36:30 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q+

14:36:55 [janina]

q+

14:37:09 [JF]

ack me

14:37:13 [becky]

JF: I understand the question but concerned that it is linked to the spec. via the issues; This is not common request and not sure where we would include any references.

14:37:54 [becky]

Matthew_Atkinson: last week we suggested referring to Content Usable; I'm okay with closing the issue.

14:38:16 [Lionel_Wolberger]

q+

14:38:48 [becky]

Janina: agree, site content usable, that is the best we have; One reason to do this is because we are breaking new ground and more support would not hurt. We can include formal citations but they are not required

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ack Matthew_Atkinson

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ack janina

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JF: can't recall any other spec. providing references/citations to research;

14:40:02 [becky]

Janina: don't believe we need to worry about this issue once we close it

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ack Lionel_Wolberger

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Lionel_Wolberger: ready to close #183 as it is not required for CR; asks Matthew to add a comment and close

14:43:16 [becky]

Lionel_Wolberger: issue #184 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/184 Implied essentiality levels of some @action values

14:43:50 [JF]

Q+

14:44:29 [becky]

Matthew_Atkinson: believe Charles made a suggestion that we discussed and agreed with

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CharlesL: provide new wording within github issue - just need to put into document if everyone agrees

14:45:25 [becky]

JF: will this be an editorial change to be made? If so, I can take the action

14:46:47 [becky]

Matthew_Atkinson: this was discussed on the call on May 24 but did not discuss last week. Suggest we look at the proposal - I believe we agree during the call.

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Minutes of call: https://www.w3.org/2021/05/24-personalization-minutes.html#x103

14:47:48 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q+

14:48:02 [JF]

ack me

14:48:03 [becky]

CharlesL: just added clarification about how escape will disregard any changes made to a dialog; Cancel will abort the operation and if there is no cancel button, escape press must perform the cancel

14:49:31 [becky]

Matthew_Atkinson: this issue is about items visually present within the interface; are we saying that there must be a cancel button? Or are we just saying that if cancel is there it must be marked as critical?

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ack Matthew_Atkinson

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Matthew_Atkinson: correction: the default role of cancel is critical

14:50:28 [JF]

ACTION: JF to update Module 1 based on Issue #184

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Created ACTION-91 - Update module 1 based on issue #184 [on John Foliot - due 2021-08-16].

14:51:45 [becky]

Lionel_Wolberger: clarifies that we are accepting the text proposed at the May 24 call.

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Sharon: will close once the changes are made to the document

14:52:47 [becky]

Lionel_Wolberger: issue #170 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 Content Module 1 - Distraction values and examples need to be updated

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sharon: JF had an action referenced in the issue comments

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JF: will work on this for next week

14:54:07 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q+

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Lionel_Wolberger: good progress? Any other blockers to CR

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Matthew_Atkinson: I'm still looking into the code examples that are not compliant to the spec; I am still working on this

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Lionel_Wolberger: I believe we agreed it is not a blocker since the examples are in a wiki page

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Matthew_Atkinson : agreed it is not a blocker but will work to complete before CR

14:56:13 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q+

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Lionel_Wolberger: anything that could block us outside of this list?

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Janina: reviews process to get the CFC started

14:58:10 [JF]

Q+ to ask about "what list"?

14:58:25 [becky]

Matthew_Atkinson: asked a question about post 1.0 work - want to make sure we are not precluding future work in our spec. See post to the list

14:59:27 [becky]

becky: Matthew's post: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2021Jul/0023.html

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sharon: just a reminder that i18n is blocking us;

15:00:27 [LisaSeemanKest]

follow on call.

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Janina: reviews what CfC request will contain

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/09-personalization-minutes.html becky

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