14:06:33 RRSAgent has joined #personalization 14:06:33 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/08/09-personalization-irc 14:06:35 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:06:38 Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference 14:06:38 Date: 09 August 2021 14:06:44 agenga? 14:06:56 agenda? 14:07:07 zakim, next item 14:07:07 agendum 1 -- Reminder, W3C Events Team survey due 20 August 2021 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger] 14:07:47 Lionel_Wolberger: reminder for W3C events team agenda? Any other topics? 14:08:14 Lionel_Wolberger: no other topics 14:08:19 zakim, next item 14:08:19 agendum 2 -- Check in with 3 TPAC meeting owners that they are on track with their agenda -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger] 14:08:50 Lionel_Wolberger: EPUB, silver, low vision - joint meeting status? 14:09:25 janina: APA chairs reviewed the list of meetings, with have too many, will try to consolidate at APA chairs meeting 14:09:59 janina: very important that we have clear, concise agenda since will be sharing time with other groups; need to be well prepared 14:10:24 mike_beganyi has joined #personalization 14:10:36 present+ 14:11:12 Janina: suggest waiting to assign personalization owners for specific meetings; 14:12:21 Matthew_Atkinson: Both Lisa and I are involved in this epub/silver/low vision meeting 14:13:04 LisaSeemanKest: overview and coga are ones I was involved with 14:14:48 janina: expect coga meeting will remain - Lisa and Rain will have most control, personalization is part to address coga concerns/issues, etc 14:14:54 LisaSeemanKest: coga group is confused about what this group does 14:15:24 LisaSeemanKest: want to work together to get the user needs 14:15:52 agenda? 14:16:05 queue? 14:17:03 janina: think it is okay to repeat the overview from the overview meeting with Coga; but won't have time to go into content module 2&3 in overview but important for coga 14:17:03 https://www.w3.org/2021/07/26-personalization-minutes.html 14:17:17 Lionel_Wolberger: internationalization? 14:17:17 In the above minutes you can see the owners and outlines of the agenda(s) 14:18:24 janina: I am responsible for working on a meeting time with internationalization; Asks Lisa if she is only person necessary to discuss AAC? Would like to have this call before TPAC 14:19:05 LisaSeemanKest: Would be good to have Steve Lee. 14:20:01 LisaSeemanKest: comments that we could use more of steve's expertise in this group :-) 14:20:26 queue? 14:21:54 janina: seems that i18n believes a meeting with us is a good idea (based on comments within the issue); I will start with this meeting time as the proposed time for a meeting. 14:23:20 janina: will be in touch with Steve and Rain and i18n to schedule 14:24:22 janina: there is actually a wiki that helps with various holidays; Lionel and Lisa will be out on Sept 7&8 14:24:27 zakim, next item 14:24:27 agendum 3 -- Get status from our APA chairs regarding our 3 TPAC meetings -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger] 14:24:53 Lionel_Wolberger: covered via previous agenda item 14:24:59 zakim. close this item 14:25:09 zakim, close this item 14:25:09 agendum 3 closed 14:25:10 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:25:10 4. Blockers to CR? Summary and review of action items (see git for Matt's comments) [from Lionel_Wolberger] 14:25:14 zakim, next item 14:25:14 agendum 4 -- Blockers to CR? Summary and review of action items (see git for Matt's comments) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger] 14:25:39 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues 14:25:44 Lionel_Wolberger: provides git link to actions 14:26:29 Lionel_Wolberger: only 5 items showing; #144 will be covered by i18n meeting 14:26:43 q+ 14:27:12 Lionel_Wolberger: #128 will be kept open - personalization semantic demo from Mozilla/firefox 14:28:01 CharlesL: I have reached out to author a few times; he has responded that will provide demo but nothing happens 14:28:17 q+ 14:28:25 ack CharlesL 14:28:48 janina: perhaps not pester him too much until our 2nd CR (once we ask WHATWG for reserved prefix) 14:29:26 +1 agreed with Roy & Janina 14:29:26 roy: agree with Janina; this issue is not a blocker for document to go to CR; This is an implementation and we will need eventually for PR 14:30:16 ack me 14:31:58 janina: cr - candidate recommendation is "world's" notice that we are getting close to being a specification and last chance for comments; CR's last for 60 days. At end of CR transistion to PR (proposed recommendation) and have to show implementation of normative requirements. Must have 2 implementations of each normative requirements. Need that before going to director; then go to Advisory Committee for vote. If it passes AC then it goes 14:31:58 to TR (technical recommendation) 1.0; Might rev. in the future 14:32:58 Lionel_Wolberger: #183 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/183, Links to origins of values for @action, @destination, @distraction 14:34:08 Q+ 14:34:51 Matthew_Atkinson: We discussed this last week; This issue is asking if there is any publically available research or established research from which the list of attributes was pulled? Understand that this comes from experience of COGA; But, if there is anything would like to see that referenced. 14:35:04 Matthew_Atkinson: doesn't see this as a blocker 14:36:04 LisaSeemanKest: there really isn't any established papers - we did look. I believe User1st collected some data for personalization group; They sent some requests for items but we didn't incorporate them. 14:36:30 q+ 14:36:55 q+ 14:37:09 ack me 14:37:13 JF: I understand the question but concerned that it is linked to the spec. via the issues; This is not common request and not sure where we would include any references. 14:37:54 Matthew_Atkinson: last week we suggested referring to Content Usable; I'm okay with closing the issue. 14:38:16 q+ 14:38:48 Janina: agree, site content usable, that is the best we have; One reason to do this is because we are breaking new ground and more support would not hurt. We can include formal citations but they are not required 14:38:48 ack Matthew_Atkinson 14:38:59 ack janina 14:39:48 JF: can't recall any other spec. providing references/citations to research; 14:40:02 Janina: don't believe we need to worry about this issue once we close it 14:40:15 ack Lionel_Wolberger 14:42:29 Lionel_Wolberger: ready to close #183 as it is not required for CR; asks Matthew to add a comment and close 14:43:16 Lionel_Wolberger: issue #184 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/184 Implied essentiality levels of some @action values 14:43:50 Q+ 14:44:29 Matthew_Atkinson: believe Charles made a suggestion that we discussed and agreed with 14:44:54 CharlesL: provide new wording within github issue - just need to put into document if everyone agrees 14:45:25 JF: will this be an editorial change to be made? If so, I can take the action 14:46:47 Matthew_Atkinson: this was discussed on the call on May 24 but did not discuss last week. Suggest we look at the proposal - I believe we agree during the call. 14:46:56 Minutes of call: https://www.w3.org/2021/05/24-personalization-minutes.html#x103 14:47:48 q+ 14:48:02 ack me 14:48:03 CharlesL: just added clarification about how escape will disregard any changes made to a dialog; Cancel will abort the operation and if there is no cancel button, escape press must perform the cancel 14:49:31 Matthew_Atkinson: this issue is about items visually present within the interface; are we saying that there must be a cancel button? Or are we just saying that if cancel is there it must be marked as critical? 14:49:36 ack Matthew_Atkinson 14:50:20 Matthew_Atkinson: correction: the default role of cancel is critical 14:50:28 ACTION: JF to update Module 1 based on Issue #184 14:50:28 Created ACTION-91 - Update module 1 based on issue #184 [on John Foliot - due 2021-08-16]. 14:51:45 Lionel_Wolberger: clarifies that we are accepting the text proposed at the May 24 call. 14:52:11 Sharon: will close once the changes are made to the document 14:52:47 Lionel_Wolberger: issue #170 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 Content Module 1 - Distraction values and examples need to be updated 14:53:04 sharon: JF had an action referenced in the issue comments 14:53:43 JF: will work on this for next week 14:54:07 q+ 14:54:11 Lionel_Wolberger: good progress? Any other blockers to CR 14:55:14 Matthew_Atkinson: I'm still looking into the code examples that are not compliant to the spec; I am still working on this 14:55:41 Lionel_Wolberger: I believe we agreed it is not a blocker since the examples are in a wiki page 14:56:05 Matthew_Atkinson : agreed it is not a blocker but will work to complete before CR 14:56:13 q+ 14:56:22 Lionel_Wolberger: anything that could block us outside of this list? 14:57:03 Janina: reviews process to get the CFC started 14:58:10 Q+ to ask about "what list"? 14:58:25 Matthew_Atkinson: asked a question about post 1.0 work - want to make sure we are not precluding future work in our spec. See post to the list 14:59:27 becky: Matthew's post: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2021Jul/0023.html 15:00:00 sharon: just a reminder that i18n is blocking us; 15:00:27 follow on call. 15:00:36 Janina: reviews what CfC request will contain 15:00:48 rrsagent, make minutes 15:00:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/09-personalization-minutes.html becky 15:00:54 CharlesL has left #personalization 15:01:55 janina has left #personalization