Meeting minutes
shadi: Project called WAI-Coop funded from E.U.
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shadi: Support R&D in a11y
shadi: implementation of a11y directive in E.U.
shadi: Noting that a11y is not static
shadi: making sure we can support tech that emerges
shadi: providing resources to communities of interest
shadi: Being carried out by U. of Lisbon
shadi: That's our background -- we'll go around and introduce ourselves
shadi: described deliverables in such a way as could be completed in coordination with W3C/WAI APA and RQTF if useful and meet priorities/requirements
shadi: Symposia might be included if useful
shadi: So, today is to get to know each other, the context, and what might be possible and useful
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shadi: Looking now to deliverables ... two main ...
shadi: 1.)Advancements in R&D: To hold symposia
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shadi: You may recall in the WAI past ...
shadi: e.g. metrics, mobile, text customization for readability, easo to read on web ....
shadi: user modeling, way finding, ...
shadi: Now committed for 3 such symposia from 2021-2023
shadi: learned to plan for 3 in parallel
shadi: Phps more lightweight?
shadi: Could include U. Lisbon doing pre workshop research deep dive; or post symposia r&d ...
shadi: 2.) twice a year roundtable discussions open to the community
shadi: goal to get wider participation
shadi: idea here is to stay high level -- more approachable; e.g. scaling
shadi: to be more practical and imm usable
shadi: e.g. how reliable is AI captioning and how reliable might we expect it to be in 5 years?
shadi: Could start as round table and become a more focussed r&d
shadi: what would it mean if we thought not 5 but 10?
Judy: q: how meeting open meetings per year?
shadi: 2 per year
shadi: only 4 left to go
shadi: Asks Carlos to report on collected topics ... and how to make it more community driven
CarlosD: noted gap between r&d and what is actually implemented
CarlosD: Looked at what's not connecting
CarlosD: did litt review
CarlosD: incl hci as well as a11y; collected keywords
CarlosD: lots of data
CarlosD: XR seems to bubble to the top last 3 years
CarlosD: haptics, nav, tracking ...
CarlosD: ai and ml also ranked high
CarlosD: also trying to come up with platform to collect
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shadi: very impressed by your analysis -- highlighted things in focus these days; but also what's not currently sexy
shadi: clearly what's not there is important
shadi: how to organize continues to be a concern; how to collect widely in a few focussed events
shadi: phps meta analysis might be first year focus
shadi: e.g. what are specific criteria for selecting
shadi: short term, long term; but also impact
shadi: to setup for other researchers as well
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to speak to this point of framing discussions, rather than granular mini-topics, to start
Judy: q+
given the high number of potential topics and the limited symposia opportunities; concerned to position discussion for most impact
Judy: would prefer to set this work at a framing level
Judy: concerned we're not doing enough to use available tooling like AI for a11y
Judy: ai for accessible content creation
judy ai for personalization
Judy: don't want to wait 3 years to talk about that
Judy: would like framing discussion for that
Judy: accessible of remote meetings -- remote everything else -- we've learned is major
Judy: will bew relevant for a long time
<jasonjgw> Janina: notes the distinction between pure and applied research.
<jasonjgw> Janina: has concerns about very specific, known problems that arise in APA work (e.g., in recent Pronunciation Task force efforts).
<jasonjgw> Janina notes that APA is strongly grounded in more immediate needs (e.g., the recent shift toward remote meetings).
<jasonjgw> Jaina: Example - how to enable screen readers to consume SSML data reliably.
<jasonjgw> Janina notes concerns that we may be reaching the limits of accessibility APIs - the volume of accessibility-related data is growing. Example - XR - the large number of objects in an XR environment; data visualization accessibility. It may be time to envision accessibility APIs differently.
shadi: did I hear judy asking for broader freaming and janina for narrow framing?
jasonjgw: believe there's a nexus between jb and js
jasonjgw: xr realtime and nl can converge in the same application
jasonjgw: maybe ways to set this up to meet multiple needs
jasonjgw: so wondering whether we could cross topic a symposium?
jasonjgw: another potential approach to look at the pipeline from content creation through user consumption
jasonjgw: have we looked from that 30K foot view?
jasonjgw: has the strategic analysis been revisited recently
Judy: don't think we should be pure research at all
Judy: there are different levels of applied, and different framings that could help us
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to clarify where my comment lies between "pure" and "applied" research
Judy: not so much how to talk about; but what's the space and what are the approaches
<jasonjgw> Janina: raises the concern that without sufficiently visionary approaches, we end up rearranging existing problems.
<jasonjgw> Janina: notes the need to create new solutions to reimagined problems.
<jasonjgw> Janina - Example: notes the concern that accessibility APIs are reaching their limits - a problems with far-reaching consequences.
MichaelC: priority for me is r&d that drives a11y guidance; so what we tell people to do
MichaelC: we need research on how to solve emerging problems
<Judy> [JB mentions to Janina that I think that the relevance of AAPIs is a highly "applied" topic, far from "pure research," so I think we're reasonably in the same arena.]
MichaelC: market developes approaches and we're slow to respond with duigance
MichaelC: always beena problem for me on how to pose a research question and get practical results back thatc can apply
MichaelC: clearly knowing better the theoretical knowledge will help us long term--but not sure how to factor it; knowing we needit
CarlosD: great opportunity to let research community know the practical problems you're facing
CarlosD: what are the issues that people face in the real world
<Judy> [JB: I strongly agree with Carlos that most researchers are unaware of most of the research needs that relate to digital accessibility for people with disabilities!]
CarlosD: suggests posting specific problem for symposium and asking for approaches
CarlosD: that might be a way to frame a symposium
CarlosD: we need to org the first symposium this year; phps that's our approach?
<Judy> +1 to everything Carlos just said
shadi: summarizing ...
shadi: need for specific problem solutions
shadi: don't forget outcomes need to end up in guidelines
shadi: also providing framings
shadi: we'll need several followups; propose we meet again; suggesting this time again on the 22nd?
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<CarlosD> +1
shadi: any objection to this time on the 22nd?
Judy: no better suggestion for now
shadi: thanks all