W3C

– DRAFT –
Revising W3C Process Community Group

26 May 2021

Attendees

Present
cwilso, jeff__, plh, weiler, wseltzer
Regrets
-
Chair
-
Scribe
fantasai, jeff__, plh

Meeting minutes

PSIG Report

wseltzer: I thought David was drafting a note for PSIG

florian: we're simplifying the wording. we have a draft of a note waiting on the pull request

wseltzer: ok, nothing new from PSIG yet until the note is sent
… making it clear what we need from them

P2021 Final cleanup

Improve the wording on normative requirements related to registry values

David: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/534
… any comment on that PR?

<fantasai> +1 to merge

David: can we approve this pull request?
… ok approved to merge #534

45-day rejoin window

David: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/531
… it's part of PP FAQ
… this is about adding it to the Process

florian: this is not a verbatim copy of the FAQ since it doesn't include good standing
… and we don't have good standing anymore
… imho, we shouldn't rush this one

wseltzer: alternative is drop the 45 days window because there is no authority for it
… this came up because we need to revise the FAQ for PP2020
… so we're looking at each question

<dsinger> from the FAQ: "Individuals who were in good standing before that Call for Participation may attend any meetings held within forty-five (45) days of the Call for Participation even if they have not yet formally rejoined the group (i.e., committed to the terms of the charter and patent policy).

<dsinger> "

wseltzer: we'd like a better source for the 45 window otherwise we're keeping people away from the groups

florian: you can participate as observer
… if that's not it, I'm not sure

jeff: it seems the concern is around good standing, or the lack of
… why don't we clarify the FAQ as well to remove the good standing

<TallTed> first have to decide what has authority (FAQ or this doc or some other doc); then all non-auth docs should be brought to match that auth

fantasai: if we don't put this in the document, for existing groups, the chairs aren't to prevent folks from attending
… so don't think this is problematic
… the text is a bit unclear. is it about rejoining or joining the group for the first time?
… I'm not too concerned by the way

plh: If we don't say, then when recharter, will kick everyone out of the group on that date

plh: This allows keeping people in the group

plh: through our systems

plh: we could [...]

florian: Are people able to make contributions without signing up to PP?

fantasai: does this apply to rejoining the group or joining the group in the first place?

wseltzer: it begins with "Individuals participating in the [=Working Group=] or [=Interest Group=] before that Call for Participation"
… what needs to be clarified/

fantasai: sounds good

dsinger: we can open a very large can of worms on policies
… but this is current practice
… the original FAQ was vague

florian: agree this is not creating new problems

wseltzer, maybe insert "When rechartering a group," or something at the start of the sentence?

florian: we can revisit this next year

"When a group is re-chartered"

<Zakim> dsinger, you wanted to comment on observers

fantasai: suggestion: add "When a group is re-chartered" at the beginning

<TallTed> +1 "when rechartered"

wseltzer: ok

dsinger: ok, consensus on merging #531 with suggested edits

Reorganize the Process document

dsinger: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/529

dsinger: should we merge this before presenting for review?

florian: I can provide diffs but I'd like to land the PR

fantasai: we can be clear on whether we resolve to merge, let Florian figure out timing

dsinger: can we point folks to the pull request instead of merging?

florian: my intent is to have both versions in any case. I'd like the top of the tree to have the reorg

dsinger: any objection to merge then?

<wseltzer> sgtm

dsinger: ok, merge #529 with diffs

Provide facilities for the Team to maintain orphaned Notes

dsinger: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/533/files

florian: this allows the Team to make class 1 changes, as well as errata and team corrections

plh: doesn't solve updating the example besides adding a Note but it's a move in the right direction

dsinger: any objection?

fantasai: +1 to merge and let's keep the issue open

APA Chairs feedback

dsinger: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/issues/535

florian: she wants Notes to have horizontal reviews, requesting all Notes to be first published as a draft

jeff: this could be a new issue for Notes, which we can debate for P2022. But for Statements, they have to go through horizontal reviews

florian, fantasai: +1

dsinger: the Notes are products from the Working Groups. For endorsement, you need Statement

dsinger: ok, no change this year.

dsinger: we'd like to address Notes and horizontal reviews for the next Process iteration

plh: should we rename the issue or creating a new one?

jeff: should be a new issue since we addressed it for Statements

dsinger: I'll respond on the issue

<jeff__> David++

CfC

+1 ship it

dsinger: we're closing the CfC at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2021May/0008.html

Proposed: send Process 2021 to AB/W3M with a request to send to the AC

fantasai: I prompted the AB and Jeff prompted W3M

Process 2021 is current draft + today's pull requests

Resolution: send Process 2021 to AB/W3M with a request to send to the AC

AOB

florian: I'll do some clean-up through GitHub issues. Any non-addressed issue will be pushed to next iteration

dsinger: sure, create a milestone as needed
… we'll do a massive triage meeting soon

Next meeting

dsinger: I'm away for the next meeting

fantasai: I'll chair
… on June 9, if needed

[adjourned]

florian: feel free to look at the change section

https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/Drafts/#changes

Summary of resolutions

  1. send Process 2021 to AB/W3M with a request to send to the AC
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