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13:54:47 <Zakim> Meeting: Revising W3C Process Community Group
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14:02:29 <plh> Topic: PSIG Report
14:03:07 <plh> wseltzer: I thought David was drafting a note for PSIG
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14:03:34 <plh> florian: we're simplifying the wording. we have a draft of a note waiting on the pull request
14:03:46 <plh> wseltzer: ok, nothing new from PSIG yet until the note is sent
14:03:55 <plh> ... making it clear what we need from them
14:03:56 <cwilso> present+
14:04:06 <plh> present+
14:04:17 <wseltzer> present+
14:04:22 <plh> topic: P2021 Final cleanup
14:04:40 <plh> subtopic: Improve the wording on normative requirements related to registry values
14:04:53 <plh> David: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/534
14:05:08 <plh> ... any comment on that PR?
14:05:11 <dsinger> q?
14:05:11 <plh> q?
14:05:19 <fantasai> +1 to merge
14:05:43 <plh> ... can we approve this pull request?
14:06:01 <plh> ... ok approved to merge #534
14:06:15 <plh> subtopic: 45-day rejoin window
14:06:24 <plh> David: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/531
14:06:36 <plh> ... it's part of PP FAQ
14:06:48 <plh> ... this is about adding it to the Process
14:06:53 <wseltzer> q+
14:07:09 <plh> florian: this is not a verbatim copy of the FAQ since it doesn't include good standing
14:07:16 <plh> ... and we don't have good standing anymore
14:07:36 <plh> ... imho, we shouldn't rush this one
14:07:39 <jeff__> q+
14:07:46 <jeff__> ack ws
14:07:57 <plh> wseltzer: alternative is drop the 45 days window because there is no authority for it
14:08:12 <plh> ... this came up because we need to revise the FAQ for PP2020
14:08:23 <plh> ... so we're looking at each question
14:08:35 <dsinger> from the FAQ: "Individuals who were in good standing before that Call for Participation may attend any meetings held within forty-five (45) days of the Call for Participation even if they have not yet formally rejoined the group (i.e., committed to the terms of the charter and patent policy).
14:08:35 <dsinger> "
14:08:49 <plh> ... we'd like a better source for the 45 window otherwise we're keeping people away from the groups
14:09:06 <plh> florian: you can participate as observer
14:09:18 <plh> ... if that's not it, I'm not sure
14:09:24 <dsinger> q?
14:09:30 <dsinger> ack jef
14:09:38 <plh> jeff: it seems the concern is around good standing, or the lack of
14:09:56 <plh> ... why don't we clarify the FAQ as well to remove the good standing
14:10:24 <plh> q+
14:10:31 <TallTed> first have to decide what has authority (FAQ or this doc or some other doc); then all non-auth docs should be brought to match that auth
14:10:36 <dsinger> ack fanta
14:11:02 <plh> fantasai: if we don't put this in the document, for existing groups, the chairs aren't to prevent folks from attending
14:11:07 <wseltzer> q+
14:11:19 <plh> ... so don't think this is problematic
14:11:51 <plh> ... the text is a bit unclear. is it about rejoining or joining the group for the first time?
14:12:11 <dsinger> q?
14:12:14 <plh> ... I'm not too concerned by the way
14:12:28 <dsinger> ack plh
14:12:47 <fantasai> scribe+
14:12:57 <dsinger> q+ to comment on observers
14:13:07 <fantasai> plh: If we don't say, then when recharter, will kick everyone out of the group on that date
14:13:14 <fantasai> plh: This allows keeping people in the group
14:13:21 <fantasai> plh: through our systems
14:13:26 <dsinger> q?
14:13:31 <fantasai> plh: we could [...]
14:13:37 <dsinger> ack ws
14:13:45 <fantasai> florian: Are people able to make contributions without signing up to PP?
14:13:46 <plh> scribe+
14:14:13 <plh> fantasai: does this apply rejoining the group or joining the group in the first place?
14:14:23 <plh> s/apply/apply to/
14:14:45 <plh> wseltzer: it begins with "Individuals participating in the [=Working Group=] or [=Interest Group=] before that Call for Participation"
14:14:56 <plh> ... what needs to be clarified/
14:15:04 <dsinger> q?
14:15:07 <florian> q?
14:15:09 <plh> fantasai: sounds good
14:15:27 <plh> dsinger: we can open a very large can of worms on policies
14:15:35 <plh> ... but this is current practice
14:15:46 <plh> ... the original FAQ was vague
14:15:59 <plh> florian: agree this is not creating new problems
14:16:05 <fantasai> wseltzer, maybe insert "When rechartering a group," or something at the start of the sentence?
14:16:09 <plh> ... we can revisit this next year
14:16:20 <fantasai> "When a group is re-chartered"
14:16:30 <dsinger> q?
14:16:33 <dsinger> ack ds
14:16:33 <Zakim> dsinger, you wanted to comment on observers
14:17:12 <plh> fantasai: suggestion: add "When a group is re-chartered" at the beginning
14:17:15 <TallTed> +1 "when rechartered"
14:17:25 <plh> wseltzer: ok
14:17:36 <dsinger> q?
14:17:52 <plh> dsinger: ok, consensus on merging #531 with suggested edits
14:18:26 <jeff__> q+
14:18:35 <plh> subtopic: Reorganize the Process document
14:18:46 <plh> dsinger: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/529
14:19:03 <plh> dsinger: should we merge this before presenting for review?
14:19:18 <jeff__> q-
14:19:21 <plh> florian: I can provide diffs but I'd like to land the PR
14:19:49 <plh> fantasai: we can be clear on whether we're prepared to resolve
14:20:01 <plh> dsinger: can we point folks to the pull request instead of merging?
14:20:15 <fantasai> s/we're prepared to resolve/we resolve to merge, let Florian figure out timing/
14:20:42 <plh> florian: my intent is to have both versions in any case. I'd like the top of the tree to have the reorg
14:21:02 <plh> dsinger: any objection to merge then?
14:21:07 <wseltzer> sgtm
14:21:29 <plh> dsinger: ok, merge #529 with diffs
14:21:52 <plh> Topic: Provide facilities for the Team to maintain orphaned Notes
14:22:04 <plh> dsinger: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/pull/533/files
14:22:52 <plh> florian: this allows the Team to make class 1 changes, as well as errata and team corrections
14:23:48 <dsinger> q?
14:23:51 <plh> plh: doesn't solve updating the example besides adding a Note but it's a move in the right direction
14:24:00 <plh> dsinger: any objection?
14:24:16 <plh> fantasai: +1 to merge and let's keep the issue open
14:24:42 <plh> Topic: APA Chairs feedback
14:24:52 <plh> dsinger: from https://github.com/w3c/w3process/issues/535
14:25:36 <plh> florian: she wants Notes to have horizontal reviews, requesting all Notes to be first published as a draft
14:25:57 <plh> jeff: this could be a new issue for Notes. But for Statements, they have to go through horizontal reviews
14:26:38 <plh> dsinger: the Notes are products from the Working Groups. For endorsement, you need Statement
14:27:19 <plh> dsinger: ok, no change this year.
14:27:32 <fantasai> s/for Notes/for Notes, which we can debate for P2022/
14:27:47 <plh> dsinger: we'd like to address Notes and horizontal reviews for the next Process iteration
14:28:05 <dsinger> q?
14:28:22 <fantasai> i/dsinger: the Notes are/florian, fantasai: +1/
14:28:57 <plh> plh: should we rename the issue or creating a new one?
14:29:43 <plh> jeff: should be a new issue since we addressed it for Statements
14:29:50 <plh> dsinger: I'll respond on the issue
14:29:55 <dsinger> q?
14:30:07 <jeff__> q+
14:30:12 <dsinger> ack jef
14:30:51 <jeff__> David++
14:30:52 <plh> Topic: CfC
14:31:01 <fantasai> +1 ship it
14:31:07 <plh> dsinger: we're closing the CfC at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2021May/0008.html
14:31:16 <dsinger> q?
14:31:26 <jeff__> q+
14:31:38 <plh> Proposed: send Process 2021 to AB/W3M with a request to send to the AC
14:32:01 <plh> fantasai: I prompted the AB and Jeff prompted W3M
14:32:25 <jeff__> ack je
14:32:34 <plh> Process 2021 is current draft + today's pull request
14:32:44 <plh> s/request/requests/
14:32:57 <dsinger> q?
14:33:13 <plh> Resolved: send Process 2021 to AB/W3M with a request to send to the AC
14:34:59 <plh> Topic: AOB
14:35:38 <plh> florian: I'll do some clean-up through GitHub issues. Any non-addressed issue will be pushed to next iteration
14:35:47 <plh> dsinger: sure, create a milestone as needed
14:36:07 <plh> ... we'll do a massive triage meeting soon
14:36:18 <plh> Topic: Next meeting
14:36:41 <plh> dsinger: I'm away for the next meeting
14:36:46 <plh> fantasai: I'll chair
14:37:01 <plh> ... on June 9, if needed
14:37:46 <plh> [adjourned]
14:38:33 <plh> florian: feel free to look at the change section
14:38:40 <fantasai> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/Drafts/#changes
14:38:50 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
14:38:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-w3process-minutes.html plh
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15:49:22 <florian> I've landed all the things I was supposed to land. Links to snapshot taken prior to merging the reorg, as well as a diff between that an P2020 can be found in the changes section: https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/Drafts/#changes-2020
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