W3C

Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference

12 May 2021

Attendees

Present
andy, ben, caspar, emily, jeremy, jo, josh, laura, mark, marko, nigel, olga, paulk
Regrets
Chris C, Ilya S, Renato
Chair
Jo
Scribe
nigelp

Meeting minutes

Admin

ben: identifiers meeting action still outstanding

Resolution: Agree minutes of last meeting

Party Identifiers

joshuaCornejo: discusses need to go beyond simple URI to identify parties
… refers to diagram circulated by email
… "permID" covers basic needs of an ontology, but probably need to support multiple ontologies and some kind of heirarchy
… also looked at "LEI"; also looks promising.

jo_: need optionality on choice of scheme, and a way of specifying which was chosen, plus some kind of default
… got response from LEI Foundation. They think LEI is suitable for our needs.

ben: contract vs policy - stick to policies for now in first draft, make decisions about how to model contracts later
… party identifiers - key need at this stage is a unique, unambiguous identifier.
… LEIs are attractive as most relevant organisations are likely to use LEIs in some way internally
… LEIs do not currently support a URN syntax, but that is a surmountable problem.
… invites comments from Caspar on use of LEIs

Caspar_MacRae: party identifiers could be agreed bilaterally between contracting parties and there will be some need to support internally devised identifier schemas
… discusses possible role for "template policies"

jo_: two ideas possibly conflated: representing ids and negotiating their representation. Let's focus on the first

joshuaCornejo: refers back to email and clarifies with example using CME; will publish multiple policy templates; parties agree specific contract scope which will need to refer back to policies (and versions of policy)

jo_: looking to keep scope managable.

ben: already support "complex" identifiers

jo_: when you say "context is LEI" how does that get resolved in some way?

ben: CME globex example: use MIC and refer to relevant ISO standard

mark_bird: generating and consuming systems must have mapping logic embedded for supported identifier schemas

ben: will need to namespaces for identifier schemas

Caspar_MacRae: but don't want to be responsible for the namespace

jo_: responding to query from Mark; should be reasonably easy to get LEIs if needed.

Action: Mark to try to obtain an LEI and report back on the experience next call (hopefully)

<ben> DataBP: https://permid.org/1-5077895275

Action: Ben to take discussion and make it a proposal to being back next meeting

Slots at FISD

ben: David Anderson prefers 90 minute format
… 15 mins demo/overview
… 40 minutes panel discussion
… 30 minutes Q&A
… prefers Q&A over Zoom, not chat.
… best to use pre-recorded demos (keep to length better)
… try for 5 minute version of consent demo?
… asks JPM if they have a re-usable demo

NigelP: will check with Ilya

ben: lists confirmed panel participants. Looking for sceptical but open minded participant and exchange representation.
… also need a moderator
… 3pm UK time 24th June

Editors' Update

mark_bird: three topics need review as discussed over email.

Laura: will take Activities and Actions

Caspar: will take Parties

mark_bird: will cover Resources
… comments from others in any area definitely invited.

jo_: reiterates last point (collective responsibility)

Feedback Review

<jo_> (put back to next session)

AOB

<jo_> thanks for Scribing, Nigel

<jo_> --- meeting closed ---

@jo_ no problem.

Summary of action items

  1. Mark to try to obtain an LEI and report back on the experience next call (hopefully)
  2. Ben to take discussion and make it a proposal to being back next meeting

Summary of resolutions

  1. Agree minutes of last meeting
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Maybe present: Caspar_MacRae, jo_, joshuaCornejo, mark_bird, NigelP