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14:55:46 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jo_
14:56:08 <jo_> Meeting: Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference
14:56:13 <jo_> chair: Jo
14:56:21 <jo_> regrets: Renato
14:56:58 <jo_> Agenda: https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/agendas/md-odrl-profile-agenda-2021-05-12.html
14:57:16 <jo_> present: jo, ben
14:57:42 <ben> regrets+ Chris C, Ilya S
14:58:09 <ben> nods back as he sips his tea
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15:03:18 <jo_> present+ jeremy, marko, laura, andy, emily, josh, mark
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15:04:19 <jo_> pressent+ caspar
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15:06:46 <jo_> scribe: nigelp
15:06:57 <jo_> Topic: Admin
15:08:21 <NigelP> ben: identifiers meeting action still outstanding
15:08:23 <jo_> RESOLUTION: Agree minutes of last meeting
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15:08:54 <jo_> Topic: Party Identifiers
15:09:35 <jo_> present+ paulk
15:10:54 <NigelP> joshuaCornejo: discusses need to go beyond simple URI to identify parties
15:11:24 <NigelP> ... refers to diagram circulated by email
15:12:39 <NigelP> ... "permID" covers basic needs of an ontology, but probably need to support multiple ontologies and some kind of heirarchy
15:13:44 <NigelP> ... also looked at "LEI"; also looks promising.
15:14:54 <NigelP> jo_: need optionality on choice of scheme, and a way of specifying which was chosen, plus some kind of default
15:15:52 <NigelP> ... got response from LEI Foundation.  They think LEI is suitable for our needs.
15:16:49 <NigelP> ben: contract vs policy - stick to policies for now in first draft, make decisions about how to model contracts later
15:17:42 <NigelP> ... party identifiers - key need at this stage is a unique, unambiguous identifier.
15:18:23 <NigelP> ... LEIs are attractive as most relevant organisations are likely to use LEIs in some way internally
15:19:10 <NigelP> ... LEIs do not currently support a URN syntax, but that is a surmountable problem.
15:19:55 <NigelP> ... invites comments from Caspar on use of LEIs
15:21:40 <NigelP> Caspar_MacRae: party identifiers could be agreed bilaterally between contracting parties and there will be some need to support internally devised identifier schemas
15:22:30 <NigelP> ...  discusses possible role for "template policies"
15:24:36 <NigelP> jo_: two ideas possibly conflated: representing ids and negotiating their representation.  Let's focus on the first
15:25:25 <jo_> present+ olga
15:27:24 <NigelP> joshuaCornejo: refers back to email and clarifies with example using CME; will publish multiple policy templates; parties agree specific contract scope which will need to refer back to policies (and versions of policy)
15:28:00 <NigelP> jo_: looking to keep scope managable.
15:28:35 <NigelP> ben: already support "complex" identifiers
15:29:46 <NigelP> jo_: when you say "context is LEI" how does that get resolved in some way?
15:30:33 <NigelP> ben: CME globex example:  use MIC and refer to relevant ISO standard
15:31:42 <NigelP> mark_bird: generating and consuming systems must have mapping logic embedded for supported identifier schemas
15:33:58 <NigelP> ben:  will need to namespaces for identifier schemas
15:34:31 <NigelP> Caspar_MacRae: but don't want to be responsible for the namespace
15:35:23 <NigelP> jo_: responding to query from Mark; should be reasonably easy to get LEIs if needed.
15:37:09 <jo_> ACTION: Mark to try to obtain an LEI and report back on the experience next call (hopefully)
15:37:30 <ben> DataBP: https://permid.org/1-5077895275
15:38:11 <jo_> ACTION: Ben to take discussion and make it a proposal to being back next meeting
15:38:49 <jo_> Topic: Slots at FISD
15:39:15 <NigelP> ben: David Anderson prefers 90 minute format
15:39:29 <NigelP> ... 15 mins demo/overview
15:39:48 <NigelP> ... 40 minutes panel discussion
15:39:57 <NigelP> ... 30 minutes Q&A
15:40:13 <NigelP> ... prefers Q&A over Zoom, not chat.
15:41:43 <NigelP> ... best to use pre-recorded demos (keep to length better)
15:42:29 <NigelP> ... try for 5 minute version of consent demo?
15:43:08 <NigelP> ... asks JPM if they have a re-usable demo
15:43:22 <NigelP> NigelP: will check with Ilya
15:44:19 <NigelP> ben: lists confirmed panel participants.  Looking for sceptical but open minded participant and exchange representation.
15:44:25 <NigelP> ... also need a moderator
15:46:29 <NigelP> ... 3pm UK time 24th June
15:48:15 <jo_> Topic: Editors' Update
15:49:51 <NigelP> mark_bird: three topics need review as discussed over email.
15:50:17 <NigelP> Laura: will take Activities and Actions
15:51:09 <NigelP> Caspar: will take Parties
15:51:27 <NigelP> mark_bird: will cover Resources
15:52:01 <NigelP> ... comments from others in any area definitely invited.
15:52:29 <NigelP> jo_: reiterates last point (collective responsibility)
15:53:46 <jo_> Topic: Feedback Review
15:54:08 <jo_> (put back to next session)
15:54:20 <jo_> Topic: AOB
15:55:12 <jo_> thanks for Scibing, Nigel
15:55:21 <jo_> s/Scibing/Scribing/
15:55:32 <jo_> --- meeting closed ---
15:55:33 <NigelP> @jo_ no problem.
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