W3C

Functional Needs

25 March 2021

Attendees

Present
CharlesHall, joconnor, MichaelC, ToddLibby
Regrets
Jake
Chair
MichaelC
Scribe
joconnor

Meeting minutes

How to approach intersectional / emergent need

MC: We need to resolve the structure - flat vs nested etc

There are interesections - two classes of needs

Needs arising that are in addition to the needs of a group

There are needs that are different from the sum total

CH: Thats good - the second is like compound needs

MC: Right

Could you have individual needs minus others?

MC: Would be easier if so - if you a member of a group you have other needs aside from a combination of those

CH: Not sure - we could proceed assuming its additive model

MC: Should we tie user need to functional categories?

CH: The master functional needs has category sections.

MC: Structurally they are just another category

JOC: Likes Schrodinders Category :-)

CH: May not all be additive

MC: We can add some if the need isn't addressed

<MichaelC> Compound user needs are just a separate group which is defined as members of 2 or more groups

<MichaelC> so it´s a ¨compound group¨

<MichaelC> we would define these as needed

MC: It seems intersections are less important in practice

as long as we have compound categories - and it doesn't matter if they are intersectional needs

its just a group

CH: There is another complexity - context

This will dictate if there is a unique compound need

MC: That's a layer on top - or for particular?

CH: For all

MC: OK, how much does context determine user needs?

CH: Could be additive or subtractive

MC: Saying that user needs are contextual

JOC: +1 to Charles

MC: A guideline may not be required in a certain situation

A context applicability.

+1 to context - I think we need to look at this.

CH: There could also be weird compound needs - that determine behaviour

JOC: +1 to this - a little difficult to grok but I understand the trust of the abstraction

MC: Intersections are additive, and context is subtractive

+1 to Michael - excellent

MC: I tend to approach context as N/A - a la it is met by default

Silver may have other guideance - at the user needs level will we want to define that in some.

JOC: This is important as it is deterministic

MC: Is it environment context, trait context etc?

We will need to narrow it down.

CH: Right - environment is crucial e.g in XR

Even subtle things like ambient light can change visual perception

MC: What do we want to do with context? Wiki etc

JOC: Yup

We should give this some time

Resolution: explore definition of contexts and brainstorm lists of context - using https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJkgXqbh7dx3uD6XAy8XAANmwfbbVZ5GKb_gbsUdkVs/edit

MC: We should do this in the master section of user needs, may be asking Charles to have a look

CH: I'm also looking at the Func needs GH issues - limited time

<Michael updates Google doc>

<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2021-03_user-needs/?login

Review draft WBS about the user needs

<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2021-03_user-needs/?login

MC: This is quick, will need work and needs the context discussion to be added

Resolution: Explore grammatical template for user needs for clarity and consistency

Summary of resolutions

  1. explore definition of contexts and brainstorm lists of context - using https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJkgXqbh7dx3uD6XAy8XAANmwfbbVZ5GKb_gbsUdkVs/edit
  2. Explore grammatical template for user needs for clarity and consistency
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