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15:29:02 <MichaelC> meeting: Functional Needs
15:29:06 <MichaelC> regrets: Jake
15:29:08 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11y-functional-needs/2021Mar/0012.html
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15:29:29 <MichaelC> agenda+ Continued exploration of user needs restructure
15:29:53 <MichaelC> agenda+ Review draft WBS about the user needs
15:29:55 <MichaelC> agenda+ How to approach intersectional / emergent need
15:30:03 <MichaelC> agenda+ Plan work of the sub-group
15:30:07 <MichaelC> agenda+ Next meeting
15:30:16 <MichaelC> present+
15:30:18 <MichaelC> chair: MichaelC
15:31:39 <joconnor> present+
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15:38:29 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 3
15:38:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- How to approach intersectional / emergent need -- taken up [from MichaelC]
15:39:00 <joconnor> MC: We need to resolve the structure - flat vs nested etc
15:39:13 <joconnor> There are interesections - two classes of needs
15:39:28 <joconnor> Needs arising that are in addition to the needs of a group
15:39:39 <joconnor> There are needs that are different from the sum total
15:39:56 <joconnor> CH: Thats good - the second is like compound needs
15:40:07 <joconnor> MC: Right
15:40:35 <joconnor> Could you have individual needs minus others?
15:41:07 <joconnor> MC: Would be easier if so - if you a member of a group you have other needs aside from a combination of those
15:41:40 <joconnor> CH: Not sure - we could proceed assuming its additive model
15:41:59 <joconnor> MC: Should we tie user need to functional categories?
15:42:25 <joconnor> CH: The master functional needs has category sections.
15:42:37 <joconnor> MC: Structurally they are just another category
15:43:49 <joconnor> JOC: Likes Schrodinders Category :-)
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15:44:03 <joconnor> CH: May not all be additive
15:44:22 <joconnor> MC: We can add some if the need isn't addressed
15:44:45 <MichaelC> Compound user needs are just a separate group which is defined as members of 2 or more groups
15:44:52 <MichaelC> so it´s a ¨compound group¨
15:45:02 <MichaelC> we would define these as needed
15:45:25 <joconnor> MC: It seems intersections are less important in practice
15:45:45 <joconnor> as long as we have compound categories - and it doesn't matter if they are intersectional needs
15:45:47 <joconnor> its just a group
15:46:06 <joconnor> CH: There is another complexity - context
15:46:25 <joconnor> This will dictate if there is a unique compound need
15:46:40 <joconnor> MC: That's a layer on top - or for particular?
15:46:44 <joconnor> CH: For all
15:47:03 <joconnor> MC: OK, how much does context determine user needs?
15:47:15 <joconnor> CH: Could be additive or subtractive
15:47:29 <joconnor> MC: Saying that user needs are contextual
15:47:47 <joconnor> JOC: +1 to Charles
15:48:37 <joconnor> MC: A guideline may not be required in a certain situation
15:48:48 <joconnor> A context applicability.
15:48:59 <joconnor> +1 to context - I think we need to look at this.
15:49:23 <joconnor> CH: There could also be weird compound needs - that determine behaviour
15:50:13 <joconnor> JOC: +1 to this - a little difficult to grok but I understand the trust of the abstraction
15:50:49 <joconnor> MC: Intersections are additive, and context is subtractive
15:50:58 <joconnor> +1 to Michael - excellent
15:51:18 <joconnor> MC: I tend to approach context as N/A - a la it is met by default
15:51:43 <joconnor> Silver may have other guideance - at the user needs level will we want to define that in some.
15:51:55 <joconnor> JOC: This is important as it is deterministic
15:52:09 <joconnor> MC: Is it environment context, trait context etc?
15:52:15 <joconnor> We will need to narrow it down.
15:52:36 <joconnor> CH: Right - environment is crucial e.g in XR
15:53:02 <joconnor> Even subtle things like ambient light can change visual perception
15:53:28 <joconnor> MC: What do we want to do with context? Wiki etc
15:53:31 <joconnor> JOC: Yup
15:54:10 <joconnor> We should give this some time
15:54:30 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: explore definition of contexts and brainstorm lists of context - using https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eJkgXqbh7dx3uD6XAy8XAANmwfbbVZ5GKb_gbsUdkVs/edit
15:54:32 <joconnor> MC: We should do this in the master section of user needs, may be asking Charles to have a look
15:54:59 <joconnor> CH: I'm also looking at the Func needs GH issues - limited time
15:56:03 <joconnor> <Michael updates branch>
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15:56:58 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2021-03_user-needs/?login
15:57:09 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 2
15:57:09 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review draft WBS about the user needs -- taken up [from MichaelC]
15:57:11 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2021-03_user-needs/?login
15:57:36 <joconnor> MC: This is quick, will need work and needs the context discussion to be added
16:00:22 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: Explore grammatical template for user needs for clarity and consistency
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