W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA WG

18 February 2021

Attendees

Present
Bryan, carmacleod, jamesn, Jemma, Joanmarie_Diggs, Matt_King, MichaelC, msumner, pkra, StefanS
Regrets
harrisSchneiderman curtBellew scottOHara markMcCarthy, Irfan, Sarah
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
carmacleod

Meeting minutes

New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3k5wSpJ>

<joanie> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/1686724

jamesn: we need to discuss this again in the 1.3 time frame

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1404

jamesn: triage to 1.3

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1400

jamesn: editorial, 1.3

New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3qIjOcB>

jamesn: no PRs

Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3qw3sUa>: Privacy Part 2 on Feb 25, 2021

jamesn: next week is privacy part 2 - anybody have anything for the week after that?

pkra: trees on touch/mobile?

jamesn: create an issue with details, and label deep dive, and we'll consider for the next week

Github Discussions - testing on accname repo<https://github.com/w3c/accname/discussions>

jamesn: prototyping "github discussions" in accname to see if it's useful for us

jamesn: first impression is that this is "stack overflow for a specific repo"

jamesn: each repo can have a Discussions tab

<pkra> teams discussions: https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/about-team-discussions

mck: I tried this a while ago, and the screen reader support wasn't great

carmacleod: please try it again, Matt - it's the Discussions tab in accname

Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332>

jamesn: I had one suggested change

carmacleod: I thought your suggestion looked good

msumner: I'll put that in

jamesn: feel free to wordsmith

Spec is unclear on aria-invalid="spelling" | "grammar" uses<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/989>

jamesn: Aaron's spelling/grammar issue

jamesn: there are 2 comments waiting for thums up or thumbs down

jamesn: will leave it until next week

1.2 Status and next steps with 1.3

jamesn: Michael, when are we going to CR?

MichaelC: I am planning to publish on Tuesday

carmacleod: Yes! Fabulous!

jamesn: then we will almost immediately publish the FPWD of 1.3

jamesn: Everyone, please look through the 1.3 issues, pick some, raise a PR

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22ARIA+1.3%22

jamesn: 184 open 1.3 issues

msumner: are they prioritized?

jamesn: it would be useful, but lots of them are equal priority

jamesn: the things people want to work on are the things we should be working on

msumner: if you can say "these are the top 10 issues", then I would try to focus my energy on those

jamesn: we do have privacy and internationalization that other groups raised on us - those are high priority

jamesn: one thing that keeps coming up is the "container can't contain child elements", and everybody always wants to create child elements

jamesn: that keeps coming up over and over again

Matt_King: that may be related to secondary actions

jamesn: there may be some overlap

jamesn: that would be an awesome problem to solve

Matt_King: currently screen readers have to do a lot of work to support aria-live

Matt_King: should ARIA dictate more of what browsers should do with aria-live?

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/832

Matt_King: I'd like to put some real group focus on it

msumner: I agree that we need a way to know when an even has occurred. Similar to pop state.

Matt_King: does it fall into the scope of ARIA - or does ARIA need to stay declarative

msumner: for me, ideally HTML and the browsers give us what we need so that we don't always have to struggle to have accessibility parity

jamesn: if folks want to work on this for 1.3, that sounds ambitious...

jamesn: this may be a deep dive topic

Matt_King: I do think that aria-live and notifications and our approach to that does deserve a deep dive

Matt_King: also, the containerization thing that you mentioned

msumner: Matt, let's have a call or email conversation to decide which topic (of the 3) is the most important and we can come up with some points for the deep dive

Matt_King: Sounds great

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