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17:54:20 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
17:54:20 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA WG
17:54:25 <jamesn> chair: JamesNurthen
17:55:12 <jamesn> regrets+ harrisSchneiderman curtBellew scottOHara markMcCarthy
17:55:20 <jamesn> present+
17:55:59 <jamesn> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2021Feb/0013.html
17:55:59 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:55:59 <agendabot> agenda+ New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3k5wSpJ>
17:55:59 <agendabot> agenda+ New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3qIjOcB>
17:55:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3qw3sUa>: Privacy Part 2 on Feb 25, 2021
17:56:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Github Discussions - testing on accname repo<https://github.com/w3c/accname/discussions>
17:56:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332>
17:56:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Spec is unclear on aria-invalid="spelling" | "grammar" uses<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/989>
17:56:09 <agendabot> agenda+ 1.2 Status and next steps with 1.3
17:57:41 <jamesn> present+
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18:04:58 <carmacleod> scribe: carmacleod
18:05:14 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:05:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3k5wSpJ> -- taken up [from agendabot]
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18:09:18 <joanie> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/1686724
18:11:27 <StefanS> q+
18:12:55 <carmacleod> jamesn: we need to discuss this again in the 1.3 time frame
18:14:09 <jamesn> ack st
18:16:08 <StefanS> q-
18:19:05 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1404
18:19:55 <carmacleod> jamesn: triage to 1.3
18:20:15 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1400
18:20:23 <carmacleod> jamesn: editorial, 1.3
18:20:28 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:20:28 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3qIjOcB> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:21:07 <carmacleod> jamesn: no PRs
18:21:15 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:21:15 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, carmacleod
18:21:22 <carmacleod> zakim, close this item
18:21:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
18:21:23 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:21:23 <Zakim> 3. Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3qw3sUa>: Privacy Part 2 on Feb 25, 2021 [from agendabot]
18:21:30 <carmacleod> zakim, take up item 3
18:21:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3qw3sUa>: Privacy Part 2 on Feb 25, 2021 -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:22:21 <carmacleod> jamesn: next week is privacy part 2 - anybody have anything for the week after that?
18:23:08 <carmacleod> pkra: trees on touch/mobile?
18:23:50 <carmacleod> jamesn: create an issue with details, and label deep dive, and we'll consider for the next week
18:23:56 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:23:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Discussions - testing on accname repo<https://github.com/w3c/accname/discussions> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:24:39 <carmacleod> jamesn: prototyping "github discussions" in accname to see if it's useful for us
18:25:01 <carmacleod> jamesn: first impression is that this is "stack overflow for a specific repo"
18:26:08 <carmacleod> jamesn: each repo can have a Discussions tab
18:26:24 <pkra> teams discussions: https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/about-team-discussions
18:28:07 <carmacleod> mck: I tried this a while ago, and the screen reader support wasn't great
18:28:42 <carmacleod> carmacleod: please try it again, Matt - it's the Discussions tab in accname
18:28:57 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:28:57 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:30:22 <carmacleod> jamesn: I had one suggested change
18:30:37 <carmacleod> carmacleod: I thought your suggestion looked good
18:31:03 <carmacleod> msumner: I'll put that in
18:31:10 <carmacleod> jamesn: feel free to wordsmith
18:31:17 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:31:17 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Spec is unclear on aria-invalid="spelling" | "grammar" uses<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/989> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:32:27 <carmacleod> jamesn: Aaron's spelling/grammar issue
18:33:15 <carmacleod> jamesn: there are 2 comments waiting for thums up or thumbs down
18:33:30 <carmacleod> jamesn: will leave it until next week
18:33:34 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:33:34 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- 1.2 Status and next steps with 1.3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:34:15 <carmacleod> jamesn: Michael, when are we going to CR?
18:34:30 <carmacleod> MichaelC: I am planning to publish on Tuesday
18:34:40 <carmacleod> carmacleod: Yes! Fabulous!
18:35:27 <carmacleod> jamesn: then we will almost immediately publish the FPWD of 1.3
18:36:02 <carmacleod> jamesn: Everyone, please look through the 1.3 issues, pick some, raise a PR
18:36:46 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22ARIA+1.3%22
18:37:04 <carmacleod> jamesn: 184 open 1.3 issues
18:37:56 <carmacleod> msumner: are they prioritized?
18:38:17 <carmacleod> jamesn: it would be useful, but lots of them are equal priority
18:38:37 <carmacleod> jamesn: the things people want to work on are the things we should be working on
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18:39:40 <carmacleod> msumner: if you can say "these are the top 10 issues", then I would try to focus my energy on those
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18:41:24 <carmacleod> jamesn: we do have privacy and internationalization that other groups raised on us - those are high priority
18:44:18 <carmacleod> jamesn: one thing that keeps coming up is the "container can't contain child elements", and everybody always wants to create child elements
18:44:28 <carmacleod> jamesn: that keeps coming up over and over again
18:45:01 <carmacleod> Matt_King: that may be related to secondary actions
18:45:43 <carmacleod> jamesn: there may be some overlap
18:45:57 <carmacleod> jamesn: that would be an awesome problem to solve
18:46:51 <carmacleod> Matt_King: currently screen readers have to do a lot of work to support aria-live
18:47:51 <carmacleod> Matt_King: should ARIA dictate more of what browsers should do with aria-live?
18:48:16 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/832
18:48:40 <carmacleod> Matt_King: I'd like to put some real group focus on it
18:50:25 <carmacleod> msumner: I agree that we need a way to know when an even has occurred. Similar to pop state.
18:51:54 <carmacleod> Matt_King: does it fall into the scope of ARIA - or does ARIA need to stay declarative
18:52:47 <carmacleod> msumner: for me, ideally HTML and the browsers give us what we need so that we don't always have to struggle to have accessibility parity
18:53:33 <carmacleod> jamesn: if folks want to work on this for 1.3, that sounds ambitious...
18:53:44 <carmacleod> jamesn: this may be a deep dive topic
18:54:23 <carmacleod> Matt_King: I do think that aria-live and notifications and our approach to that deos deserve a deep dive
18:54:50 <carmacleod> s/deos/does
18:55:09 <carmacleod> Matt_King: also, the containerization thing that you mentioned
18:57:31 <carmacleod> msumner: Matt, let's have a call or email conversation to decide which topic (of the 3) is the most important and we can come up with some points for the deep dive
18:57:36 <carmacleod> Matt_King: Shoulds great
18:58:06 <carmacleod> s/Shoulds/Sounds
18:58:28 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
18:58:28 <Zakim> Present: jamesn, Joanmarie_Diggs, pkra, Jemma, msumner, StefanS, carmacleod, Matt_King
18:59:48 <carmacleod> present+ MichaelC
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