W3C

– DRAFT –
DXWG DCAT Subgroup

14 October 2020

Attendees

Present
AndreaPerego, plh, PWinstanley, riccardoAlbertoni_
Regrets
-
Chair
riccardoAlbertoni_
Scribe
AndreaPerego, PWinstanley

Meeting minutes

proposed: Accept https://‌www.w3.org/‌2020/‌09/‌30-dxwgdcat-minutes

accept last call minutes

<AndreaPerego> +1

<riccardoAlbertoni_> +1

+1

Resolution: Accept https://‌www.w3.org/‌2020/‌09/‌30-dxwgdcat-minutes

<riccardoAlbertoni_> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌Meetings:Telecon2020.10.14

approving agenda

<AndreaPerego> +1

pending pulls

riccardoAlbertoni_: first pr has been merged

<riccardoAlbertoni_> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌pull/‌1244

riccardoAlbertoni_: second is pending, reviewed by riccardoAlbertoni_ and simon has accepted, so needs another review
… any concerns then comment, otherwise let's move to merge

<AndreaPerego> Just approved.

<riccardoAlbertoni_> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌pull/‌1244

<AndreaPerego> PR merged.

<riccardoAlbertoni_> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌1243

riccardoAlbertoni_: this is connected to the pending issue which can now be closed (#1243)

<AndreaPerego> +1

<riccardoAlbertoni_> +1

+1

DCAT planning and publishing schedule

riccardoAlbertoni_: we need to look at what has to be done - priorities; and also look at the choice of process
… any views?

AndreaPerego: We should publish a new WD when we have something substantial added to DCAT2. But if we can address versioning and dataset series, we can proceed.

riccardoAlbertoni_: For versioning we still need some feedback.
… Maybe we can delay the WD to beginning of next year, so to include most of the open issues.

<PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I wouldn't wait

<PWinstanley> ... I think we can proceed having sprints and publishing when we have something new

<PWinstanley> ... otherwise we will have even more delay

<PWinstanley> ... A roadmap would be nice

riccardoAlbertoni_: I agree but the concern is to engage with our stakeholders and ensure that we are replying to the comments received
… perhaps we can summarise the discussion

<plh> https://‌w3c.github.io/‌spec-releases/‌milestones/

<plh> https://‌w3c.github.io/‌spec-releases/‌milestones/#moratoria-list

proposed: cover the bulk of open issue/s and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break

[this will be within 6 weeks time, as we have to give the plenary 10 days and the W3C Director 7 days to review]

<plh> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22DCAT3+FPWD%22+

<riccardoAlbertoni_> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌projects/‌9

riccardoAlbertoni_: we should try to finish this project

plh: make sure that other issues are removed from DCAT WD 3 so that it is not misleading

proposed: cover the bulk of open issue/s and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break - 27 Nov 2020

proposed: cover the bulk of open issue/s and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break - 24 Nov 2020

<riccardoAlbertoni_> +1

+1

<AndreaPerego> +1

<plh> +1

Resolution: cover the bulk of open issue/s and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break - 24 Nov 2020

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Action: riccardoAlbertoni to include feedback as issues in the DCAT spec

<trackbot> Created ACTION-432 - Include feedback as issues in the dcat spec [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2020-10-21].

Action: AndreaPerego to drop non-relevant issues from FPWD milestone

<trackbot> Created ACTION-433 - Drop non-relevant issues from fpwd milestone [on Andrea Perego - due 2020-10-21].

versioning

<riccardoAlbertoni_> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌1251

riccardoAlbertoni_ going through the thread of this issue is discussion about including new types of version in DCAT
… incl FRBR
… we are taking FRBR as inspiration, but we don't need to align with the work, expression, manifestation, etc
… but Karen wondered if we need a relation between the back bone of DCAT for versioning.
… Do we think we have to consider a new type of version in DCAT, or can we await external feedback and see what happens

AndreaPerego: we are identifying 3 types: revision, release & collection
… Should we try to revise the section and present these relationships as relationships between resources that share a common ancestor
… because we are not providing any definition of version
… ... Karen was also pointing out that if we look at the FRBR and other library domain vocabs they don't talk about version but they are explicit about relationships between types
… so we can do the same
… I can try to make a proposal

AndreaPerego: I also think that this approach would also help us address the dataset series issue.

riccardoAlbertoni_: I am a bit concerned on changing the current approach. There's a bunch of people interesting in this, and if we don't mark a given set of relationships as versioning relationship, this might not be what they expect.
… Also we may need to align the relationships we have in the document with versioning, especially the qualified ones.
… So, maybe we can keep the current section more or less as it is, and discuss more in detail in the section with qualified relationships.

AndreaPerego: I don't think there's a problem if we stick to what we have at the moment. We can change it afterwards.

riccardoAlbertoni_: Any other views on this?

PWinstanley: If we don't have an extended framework for qualified relationships, this might not work. I wonder whether RDF* may somehow help here.
… We should also think to move some work to a primer.

riccardoAlbertoni_: Some of the feedback is about when one should use qualified relationships. I think the problem is that we are not aligning the two solutions.

PWinstanley: This usually depends on how much provenance metadata you have.

riccardoAlbertoni_: The ideal situation is that un/qualified relationships are mapped to each other.

AndreaPerego: I think we can address this by doing some work in the guidance and examples section.

Action: AndreaPerego to see how the mapping of un/qualified relationships can be addressed in the current spec

<trackbot> Created ACTION-434 - See how the mapping of un/qualified relationships can be addressed in the current spec [on Andrea Perego - due 2020-10-21].

[meeting adjourned]

Summary of action items

  1. riccardoAlbertoni to include feedback as issues in the DCAT spec
  2. AndreaPerego to drop non-relevant issues from FPWD milestone
  3. AndreaPerego to see how the mapping of un/qualified relationships can be addressed in the current spec

Summary of resolutions

  1. Accept https://‌www.w3.org/‌2020/‌09/‌30-dxwgdcat-minutes
  2. cover the bulk of open issue/s and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break - 24 Nov 2020
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 123 (Tue Sep 1 21:19:13 2020 UTC).

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