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20:56:16 <AndreaPerego> zakim, start meeting
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20:56:17 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndreaPerego
20:56:34 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG DCAT Subgroup
20:57:04 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:58:13 <AndreaPerego> present+
20:58:27 <AndreaPerego> present+ PWinstanley
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20:59:12 <PWinstanley> present+
20:59:27 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
20:59:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:59:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:01:11 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.14
21:01:12 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:01:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:02:08 <PWinstanley> proposed: Accept https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:02:52 <AndreaPerego> chair: riccardoAlbertoni_
21:02:54 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:02:54 <PWinstanley> chair: riccardoAlbertoni_
21:04:04 <AndreaPerego> topic: accept last call minutes
21:04:06 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:09:04 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:09:04 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:09:08 <PWinstanley> +1
21:09:19 <PWinstanley> resolved: Accept https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes
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21:09:53 <plh> present+
21:09:57 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:09:58 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.14
21:10:09 <AndreaPerego> topic: approving agenda
21:10:14 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:10:19 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:10:19 <PWinstanley> topic: pending pulls
21:10:32 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni_: first pr has been merged
21:10:35 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1244
21:11:08 <PWinstanley> ... second is pending, reviewed by riccardoAlbertoni_  and simon has accepted, so needs another review
21:11:25 <PWinstanley> ... any concerns then comment, otherwise let's move to merge
21:11:27 <AndreaPerego> Just approved.
21:11:50 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1244
21:12:12 <AndreaPerego> PR merged.
21:12:12 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1243
21:12:21 <PWinstanley> ...this is connected to the pending issue which can now be closed (#1243)
21:12:59 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:13:05 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:13:07 <PWinstanley> +1
21:13:40 <riccardoAlbertoni_> topic: DCAT planning and publishing schedule
21:13:56 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:14:45 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni_: we need to look at what has to be done - priorities; and also look at the choice of process
21:15:57 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:15:57 <PWinstanley> ... any views?
21:16:03 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack AndreaPerego
21:17:42 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:18:54 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: We should publish a new WD when we have something substantial added to DCAT2. But if we can address versioning and dataset series, we can proceed.
21:20:42 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: For versioning we still need some feedback.
21:21:14 <AndreaPerego> ... Maybe we can delay the WD to beginning of next year, so to include most of the open issues.
21:21:20 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:21:28 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack AndreaPerego
21:21:35 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I wouldn't wait
21:21:53 <PWinstanley> ... I think we can proceed having sprints and publishing when we have something new
21:22:03 <PWinstanley> ... otherwise we will have even more delay
21:22:12 <PWinstanley> ... A roadmap would be nice
21:22:43 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: PWinstanley
21:23:18 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni_: I agree but the concern is to engage with our stakeholders and ensure that we are replying to the comments received
21:23:54 <PWinstanley>  ... perhaps we can summarise the discussion
21:25:31 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:26:04 <plh> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/
21:26:32 <plh> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/#moratoria-list
21:27:09 <PWinstanley> proposed: cover the bulk of open issue/s  and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break
21:28:47 <riccardoAlbertoni_> q?
21:28:56 <PWinstanley> [this will be within 6 weeks time, as we have to give the plenary 10 days and the W3C Director 7 days to review]
21:29:34 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22DCAT3+FPWD%22+
21:30:06 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/projects/9
21:30:29 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni_: we should try to finish this project
21:31:03 <PWinstanley> plh: make sure that other issues are removed from DCAT WD 3 so that it is not misleading
21:32:21 <PWinstanley> proposed: cover the bulk of open issue/s  and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break - 27 Nov 2020
21:34:54 <PWinstanley> proposed: cover the bulk of open issue/s  and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break - 24 Nov 2020
21:35:37 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:35:41 <PWinstanley> +1
21:35:41 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:35:45 <plh> +1
21:35:50 <PWinstanley> resolved: cover the bulk of open issue/s  and have a deadline for the next publication of before the W3C New year break - 24 Nov 2020
21:35:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:37:21 <AndreaPerego> action: riccardoAlbertoni_ to include feedback as issues in the DCAT spec
21:37:21 <trackbot> Error finding 'riccardoAlbertoni_'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
21:37:35 <AndreaPerego> action: riccardoAlbertoni to include feedback as issues in the DCAT spec
21:37:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-432 - Include feedback as issues in the dcat spec [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2020-10-21].
21:37:54 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:39:19 <AndreaPerego> action: AndreaPerego to drop non-relevant issues from FPWD milestone
21:39:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-433 - Drop non-relevant issues from fpwd milestone [on Andrea Perego - due 2020-10-21].
21:39:29 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:39:40 <PWinstanley> topic: versioning
21:40:00 <riccardoAlbertoni_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1251
21:40:00 <AndreaPerego> s/action: riccardoAlbertoni_ to include feedback as issues in the DCAT spec//
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21:40:31 <PWinstanley>  riccardoAlbertoni_ going through the thread of this issue is discussion about including new types of version in DCAT
21:40:39 <PWinstanley> ... incl FRBR
21:41:13 <PWinstanley> ... we are taking FRBR as inspiration, but we don't need to align with the work, expression, manifestation, etc
21:42:18 <PWinstanley> ... but Karen wondered if we need a relation between the back bone of DCAT for versioning.
21:42:36 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:42:54 <PWinstanley> ... Do we think we have to consider a new type of version in DCAT, or can we await external feedback and see what happens
21:42:57 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack andrea
21:43:29 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we are identifying 3 types: revision, release & collection
21:44:11 <PWinstanley> ... Should we try to revise the section and present these relationships as relationships between resources that share a common ancestor
21:44:24 <PWinstanley> ... because we are not providing any definition of version
21:45:56 <PWinstanley> ... ... Karen was also pointing out that if we look at the FRBR and other library domain vocabs they don't talk about version but they are explicit about relationships between types
21:46:04 <PWinstanley> ... so we can do the same
21:46:35 <PWinstanley> q+
21:47:04 <PWinstanley> ... I can try to make a proposal
21:49:10 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:49:37 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I also think that this approach would also help us address the dataset series issue.
21:51:09 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: I am a bit concerned on changing the current approach. There's a bunch of people interesting in this, and if we don't mark a given set of relationships as versioning relationship, this might not be what they expect.
21:51:38 <AndreaPerego> ... Also we may need to align the relationships we have in the document with versioning, especially the qualified ones.
21:52:32 <AndreaPerego> ... So, maybe we can keep the current section more or less as it is, and discuss more in detail in the section with qualified relationships.
21:53:45 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I don't think there's a problem if we stick to what we have at the moment. We can change it afterwards.
21:53:54 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: Any other views on this?
21:54:01 <riccardoAlbertoni_> q?
21:54:16 <riccardoAlbertoni_> ack PWinstanley
21:54:55 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: If we don't have an extended framework for qualified relationships, this might not work. I wonder whether RDF* may somehow help here.
21:56:17 <AndreaPerego> ... We should also think to move some work to a primer.
21:57:18 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: Some of the feedback is about when one should use qualified relationships. I think the problem is that we are not aligning the two solutions.
21:57:32 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:58:05 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: This usually depends on how much provenance metadata you have.
21:58:43 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni_: The ideal situation is that un/qualified relationships are mapped to each other.
21:58:48 <AndreaPerego> ack
21:59:03 <AndreaPerego> q?
21:59:10 <AndreaPerego> s/ack//
21:59:16 <AndreaPerego> ack AndreaPerego
22:01:37 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I think we can address this by doing some work in the guidance and examples section.
22:02:38 <AndreaPerego> action: AndreaPerego to see how the mapping of un/qualified relationships can be addressed in the current spec
22:02:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-434 - See how the mapping of un/qualified relationships can be addressed in the current spec [on Andrea Perego - due 2020-10-21].
22:03:17 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
22:03:21 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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22:03:24 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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