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Personalization Task Force Teleconference

14 Sep 2020

Attendees

Present
janina, CharlesL, LisaSeemanKest
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
becka11y, becky

Contents


<LisaSeemanKest> clear agenda

<LisaSeemanKest> ageda+ tag responce

<becky> scribe: becka11y

<LisaSeemanKest> scribe: becky

explainer https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/explainer-compare/explainer.html

<LisaSeemanKest> #139 <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/139>

LS: agree on the explainer

becky: latest change was to the explainer abstract
... present+

LS: 3 options - we can send this to CfC with APA; we can assign someone to read it over carefully; we can ask the entire group to review by next week

Janina: exactly 4 weeks from start of TPAC; want to get this published before then; don't need CfC since this is an updated working draft
... this is a slightly more important working draft but we do need to review carefully to make sure it says what we want and people unfamiliar with the topic can understand

LS: Janina and Lisa will review by Wednesday and finalize on list; if no big issues we will finalize on the list

<LisaSeemanKest> on the list to finalize

<LisaSeemanKest> silance is aproval...

LS: no objections will finalize on the list

Becky: I will make a pull request right after this meeting

<LisaSeemanKest> action Lisa and janina to read it over by wenersday

<trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - And janina to read it over by wenersday [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2020-09-21].

Janina: this will not be a final version until after module 3 is published

Roy: I will review for formatting / code issues

Lisa: need to check all the links in the explainer

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Requirements

Lisa: we have a requirements document that was big, long, painful and incomplete - has no introduction, not consistent, etc. We made a requirements document on the wiki - it is shorter; people seemed happier with it
... should we be moving the requirements document from the wiki to github space?

Janina: yes, perhaps but we don't officially need it until PR
... is a req. for transition from CR to PR so okay to be in wiki for now

<Roy_> https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-requirements/

Roy: we have already published as FPWD so this is the one we should be referring to (not the wiki)

Janina: so, that changes things - based on Roy's clarification this req. document becomes much more important

Lisa: proposing to update the FPWD of the req. with the contents of the wiki and update as a new editor's draft

<LisaSeemanKest> ACTION: lisa update the editers draft of requirments doc

<trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Update the editers draft of requirments doc [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2020-09-21].

Charles: much less detail in wiki version - esp. regarding module 3 - is that sufficient?

Lisa: we had a debate about this - use cases should be in the explainer; req. are how to meet
... in current WD we have code changes (before and after) and we shouldn't have that level details in the requirements - if you want to understand how something is implemented you look at the spec.

Janina: only thing we need for PR are the requirements for module 1

Charles: would we have three requirements doc? One for each module?

Janina: need to double check that we can rev. requirements as we add more

Lisa: there is much more in the original version that goes beyond requirements

issue #139 <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/139>

<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#input-purposes

becky: We need to add a formal citation to WCAG 2.1

<CharlesL> should look like [[WCAG 2.1]] I belive

Roy: I will handle this - issue is now assigned to me

tag response, and Janinas comment

Janina: made a comment on the cover note for the TAG explainer

<LisaSeemanKest> pospone explainer and tag to next week

aprouch to what the wg

<CharlesL> prefix- approach

Janina: prefix approach - proposal is to go to WHAT WG and ask for a reserved prefix for our attributes; John prefers that we ask for more than one
... discussed that at APA chairs - suggest that we follow the same path as ARIA - start with one prefix and eventually others became actual attributes in HTML
... so propose asking for a reserved prefix - don't have to specify the actual desired prefix at this time
... this is the replacement for data. This is how ARIA started; believe that asking multiple right now is too difficult, esp. since we don't have an entire list;

Lisa: group needs to agree with the path and then once agreed, draft the request

Janina: Becky and Janina as chairs can draft the request for reserved prefix
... will draft the request

Lisa: there have been discussions that this approach makes personalization sidelined

Charles: I think this is the best route for now - esp. since we don't have big implementation examples from larger corporations;
... Need to show our current usage of data- based on recomendation from TAG

Janina: def. need the explainer to be ready; then explain how we have been using data- based on HTML section 3.6.2.2

<LisaSeemanKest> vote on janinas proposal to ask for a reserved prefix

<janina> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Request a reserved prefix from WHAT-WG to replace our use of data- in Module 1.

<LisaSeemanKest> +1 but not strong

<Roy_> +1

+1

<CharlesL> +1

<LisaSeemanKest> any objections

<LisaSeemanKest> no objections.

<janina> +1

Janina: believe that by following the ARIA path we get these introduced to the wider audience; once taken up they can become additional attributes

RESOLUTION: Request a reserved prefix from WHAT-WG to replace our use of data- in Module 1.

Lisa: give paople 48 hours to respond on the list is objections

video

Janina: propose a short 3 minute video for module 1 for TPAC - very important
... having a video that we can point is really great
... next steps, Janina, Josh, and Lisa agree on a time; Janina introduces concept, Lisa explains, Janina sums up - 3 minute maximum
... Josh will edit it down

<LisaSeemanKest> becky offering captioning!

Lisa: would also like videos for COGA and user needs;

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/159

issue 159

<LisaSeemanKest> non-verbal -> nonverbal

Lisa: there are several typos that need to be fixed in content module

<LisaSeemanKest> ACTION: charles to put 159 issues into the dracft

<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Put 159 issues into the dracft [on Charles LaPierre - due 2020-09-21].

Charles: I can make those changes

<LisaSeemanKest> ACTION-70: Add up/down/start and end

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-70 Add up/down/start and end.

action 70

<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/personalization/track/actions/70

Lisa: request to add up/down/start/end rather than left and right - raised by internationalization;

Becky: do we have next and previous? I think so

<LisaSeemanKest> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/155

Lisa: yes we have next and previous; should update the left and right to specify that it is based on logical positioning

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: charles to put 159 issues into the dracft
[NEW] ACTION: lisa update the editers draft of requirments doc
 

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Request a reserved prefix from WHAT-WG to replace our use of data- in Module 1.
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