<kaz> scribenick: cris_

Previous minutes

Sebastian: welcomes the participants of the call
... showing the minutes
... reviewing the agenda of today
... something else?
... reviewing again the minutes

McCool: WISHI next week will be take place

Sebastian: have some conflicts can someone can host it?

McCool: let's discuss this in other call

Sebastian: is there some problems with the minutes?

<kaz> June-4

Sebastian: minutes approved

explained video

<kaz> script

Sebastian: thanks a lot, Michael. for the improvements.

<kaz> video style

Sebastian: in the readme now there are comments form Michael

McCool: we need concrete suggestion to change the script
... i.e. actual PR
... I already suggested a couple of changes
... for example avoid bias around gender and race
... gender is quite tricky. pronouns fault
... I proposed to use they and their, but sometimes it gets odd
... try to use developer team instead of developer
... also I understand that Joe was used to identify with the main character but I rather change it
... we can avoid race issues using not humans
... our job is to make the script right and specify the animator that the character should be unbias in regard to gender and race
... I also would avoid names completely.
... We need also to consistent with names. ie. I'd use winegrower

Sebastian: I think we have a great starting point now
... let's iterate over this

McCool: next step create new md file which finalize the script
... get it "soonish"
... the final document will not contain comments only the script

Sebastian: unfortunately next week I am very busy... and I cannot work on this

McCool: I volunteer to work on this document and create the final script
... anyway if anybody has some problem please comment on the draft or discuss it now
... basically we can go trough each pieces and note our comments now

Sebastian: show the start of the script

McCool: use winemaker instead of winegrower

Sebastian: ok to change it. does anybody has some object?
... second scene

McCool: would avoid pronouns
... suggesting minor changes

Sebastian: should be accept Michael suggestion?
... ok let's accept it

McCool: scene 2 were broken in two scenes
... I suggest two different visuals
... on scene2b we can state clearly why we need weather data
... skip scene 3
... I'll fix scene3 text
... scene 4 spoken text is good. just minor fixes
... Also I removed relative pronouns. they are confusing for some people

Sebastian: scene 5

McCool: scene 5 has issues with gender. I am proposing neutral pronouns
... there's also another problem. It is quite vague and maybe a little bit harsh

Sebastian: reading lagally comment

McCool: we need a more concrete suggestion from oracle

Sebastian: scene 6

McCool: removed Googling and state directly how WoT is pronounced
... also linking back to the winemaker problem

Sebastian: we should include IoT developers who can use all Web technologies with WoT
... is it ok to put only one kind of developers?

McCool: my opinion is that having a focused audience is better
... the entire script is focused on web developers
... maybe can we mention IoT devs at the end

Sebastian: I do not have any strong opinion on that.. let's leave it like it is

McCool: update staging. add two screens. one with usual tools and other domains
... which tools we should include?
... js, nodejs, html

Ege: nodeRed
... vue, react an so on

McCool: create a list of the most known

Cristiano: typescript?

McCool: why not

Sebastian: what about WebAssembly?

McCool: maybe better not here

Kaz: what about mentioning other popular languages? i.e. python

McCool: rather not now...

Kaz: maybe a character could mention pyhton for web apps in contrast with node-red, etc., for WoT?

McCool: it is important but is not the right place to put it

Ege: for the logos don't forget JSON

McCool: good point

Sebastian: adding animating domains

Sebastian: need to leave now...

Kaz: before closing the call, I wanted to repeat that pronoun issues is very important. Note W3C is keen on CEPC and diversity these days

Sebastian: McCool, can you take over?
... I have to go

McCool: showing the script
... please read the text and speak up if something is off
... otherwise it is assumed accepted
... reading the script
... scene 10 was changed
... just add a check for each question

Ege: maybe the questions are too long and could take the whole screen
... maybe we can change the questions to statements

McCool: we can simplify the text
... or we can focus in each question and then minimize

Ege: I think it will be to quick... people will not have time to read

McCool: let's try to simplify the points

Ege: I suggest to remove how to "access data or function" is too difficult
... I like more interaction than function. function is more related to actual code

McCool: we can say these question verbally
... moving last text of scene 12 to scene 13
... any objections?

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McCool: if any comments/suggestions make a PR

Next week

McCool: should we cancel next week
... ok let's cancel it

AOB?

Kaz: what about video style?

McCool: It is not important in my opinion, as long as they follow our script and staging rules

Ege: using animals it might be fine, as long as they look good

McCool: I'd like a nice logo like animation

Kaz: I agree your direction in general

Cristiano: how the video will be shared?

McCool: I think it will hosted by W3C and then shared in other platforms

<kaz> fyi, my slides include how to deal with videos on youtube

<kaz> [adjourned]