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ACT Rules Community Group Teleconference

09 Jul 2020

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Carlos, Adil, Jean-Yves, Wilco, Daniel, shadi, Wilco_, Jey
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Final call https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461 |

WF: have alot of final call this week
... have never seen that before
... couple of them have been merged
... one week call
... almost there and ready to go, does anyone have thought on that?
... will be merging week 1 .... remove any example
... PR1357 form control

have one more days

comments from adil on that pull request

scribe: last one conditional PR1345
... stil have one day to go
... final call 2 weeks

5 new PR

<Wilco_> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1354#discussion_r452184496

scribe: adil left comment PR 1354
... difference between descriptive and an equalant purpose

WF: will look at it and equalent is good word for that
... nothing recent in PR1276 device motion based....
... pR1010 inline link in paragraph.... does this need to be taken from final call?

JYM: Yes

CD: joined the meeting

zakin, take up next

Rules ready for W3C publication https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1120 |

:-D

WF: updated this list this morning
... splitt up one the table with a separate list awaiting W3C resolution awaiting
... there are explicit list of things waiting for input from TF

AJ: aria-* ready for publication

WF: lets go from top to bottom

AJ: Added title to the PR
... linked to the bottom of aria-*

WF: need to approve that PR is there in the PRE
... open a PR to fix the thing in these tables.
... all table header call have assignd data cells
... PR opened for all of these rules.
... image has non-empty ... need to update.

Jey: required context... implementation issue

WF: let see who can take that up
... many stuff with respect to W3C
... aria required element
... PR?

AJ: PR1365

WF: ARIA stat or property .. any update?

Jey: Nothing yet.

WF: wanna add some date on that rule AJ?

AJ: reviewed
... happy to change the changes

27 july?

CD: one week final call

WF: will fix that

Jey: one week is enough

WF: need to go final call on 20th
... CD on table header?

CD: waiting for approval

PR1363

WF: adil review that?

AH: sure

WF: oject element has .... need more
... take the text with min. contrast
... deadline

CD: suggested 3rd august

WF: accepted
... iframe elements have issues to resolve.
... might be ready to W3C, date?

Jey: it's acc. support changes

WF: 27th july?

Jey: Accepted, once it get merged what the process to get it done?

WF: let me know or leave a comment, I will pick it up
... any thing else

Add "WCAG 2 Non-Interference" to requirements mapping [80f0bf, 80af7b] https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1348 |

WF: this may be small discussion
... TF asked for non-interference accessibility requirement mapping.
... it is a seprate requried with 5 6 SC under it
... if one of these 6 SC in the acces. mapp we should include this non-intereference in mapping
... is that make sense practically?
... ?

AJ: can you repeat?

<Wilco_> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#cc5

WF: if there is rule with 5 6 SC, also should include non-interference requirement

CD: make sense
... it is a WCAG requirement
... Jey what's your opinion?
... we do need to add in rules.

JYM: we already do some of it
... need to add small changes in SC
... possible nothing as already have target in ARIA1.1

WF: JYM know what to do on it

JYM: the change should be easy to do with linking it with acc. requirement
... taken that issue

Implementing composed rules https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1349 |

WF: composite rule implementation
... highlevel problem description
... we don't have not alot of implementation of atomic rules

that do not map to SC

e.g links that have ... have different atomic rules in it

these things to pass this SC there is composite rule

that you need to pass one of atomic rule

we have implementation of comp. rules but not for the atomic rules.

it may be because that dont belong to SC and don't have confirmity requiremnt

JYM: in alfa we should need to submit the implementation

CD: it's same for QW, we can submit validation data for automic rule

WF: we only have one comp. rule

CD: video rule

WF: to solve this, most of the test case in the comp. are from atomic rules, that's the right way to do it.
... because the test cases are same it is possible to figure out the result/conclusion
... if two rule have the same test cases have different # create a dificult mappiong

but first thing is who can submit for atomic rule

scribe: we should fix this thing even if the test case is same but # is gonna different
... complicated

JYM: related to other thing.
... if we have hash which is unique enough, if we made some changes to test case you don't need to change the validation

<Jey> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules-web/issues/193

WF: Jey and I have the discussion on that

Jey: proposed solution for that
... moving test cases up and down
... rule id is problem with composite rule
... it is hard to map the implementation from composite to atomic rule
... if implemented differently the hash will be changed
... requesting input on that

WF: summerise the purposal

Jey: solution given hashes changes overtime
... when we change the logic how the hashes changes

then we push it to new key

scribe: WF have another opinion with dates.

WF: we could have multi ID generator algorithm
... the date the rule last updated
... we keep running this issue
... the way we can do it, we can come up with new hasing solution
... if the rule update we need to get the implementation data update
... if not we don't need to update the implementation data.

Jey: all we do now npm install repo.
... we don't have any input dependency on the repo.

JYM: we should have the last updated date
... it will keep the log
... we already use hash algorithm
... we can reuse it.

JEY: it create another dependency.

WF: how would keeping the previous ID work?
... if chaning the test case around that we now

JEY: those two generate the same ID, because ID generated based on rule ID, language and code inside the rule
... there would be any effect

WF: final thoughts?

JEY: sharing the screen

WF: time shortage

JEY: we can discuss in the issue created in github

iframe has non-empty name - problems with examples and applicability https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1367 |

WF: we had test data

JEY: it's long conversation and DM provided the test data
... from that test data the DM provided
... the sequence of navgation is a big issue
... there been long conversation
... there is no concrete decision.
... opened an issue
... waiting for approval

CD: have two approval from SI

Jey: waiting for review other

WF: how do we missed this issue?

Jey: focus navigation
... there was no conversation before the issue open
... JAW was ignoring it

WF: safari is the one critical experience

Jey: Don't test the other combination, relied on the information provided by DM
... it's like the table rows

WF: what we are doing now is reliing on voiceover

Jey: we have amende the applicable
... when we wrote it iframe you can tab it navigate it

WF: suggestion or agree with the solution

Jey: disagree because we are getting back and forth with TF feedback
... when writing the rule we should do the research actually how it work

WF: agree
... we are the author of this rule

Jey: consider it as learning aspect.

WF: any other thoughts?

AJ: different user work on different browser

WF: JYM will be on vacation
... time goes fast

lets wrap

scribe: final thoughts

CD: good discussion

AJ: like to talk about heading as well

JYM: always interesting

Jey. Happy :-)

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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